Comments on: Weird game between 8d and 9d http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/100-weird-game-between-8d-and-9d.html A few moments to learn, a lifetime to master Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:15:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Alejo http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/100-weird-game-between-8d-and-9d.html/comment-page-1#comment-188 Alejo Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:20:17 +0000 http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/?p=100#comment-188 I see Black can play some forcing moves, but I still see white ending up with a good result. It is true that Black doesn't get too bad results on some variations, but I assume that it is because my lack of imagination when finding the best moves. Move 154 seems to be a forcing move because the aji of the N12 group. I must confess that my reading ability is not close to the pro's or even near the dans', so I can't read the whole sequences but they look like good ones. About move 92... ... ... (five minutes later) ... ... Yeah!!! You're right. Directly killing these 5 stones saves the whole White group, but it gives Black the chance to live easily...Or not? I see Black can play some forcing moves, but I still see white ending up with a good result. It is true that Black doesn’t get too bad results on some variations, but I assume that it is because my lack of imagination when finding the best moves.

Move 154 seems to be a forcing move because the aji of the N12 group.

I must confess that my reading ability is not close to the pro’s or even near the dans’, so I can’t read the whole sequences but they look like good ones.

About move 92…
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Yeah!!! You’re right. Directly killing these 5 stones saves the whole White group, but it gives Black the chance to live easily…Or not?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/100-weird-game-between-8d-and-9d.html/comment-page-1#comment-183 Anonymous Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:04:40 +0000 http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/?p=100#comment-183 tommie is right that the aji is cleaner in the game than in your variation for move 152, though I'd say that p7 isn't really the focal point of that. Simply think of all the ways that Black can play forcing moves in this area, threatening to draw those stones out through the hole at q5. With the game move, clamping at q6, there's a lot less bad aji; black has useful forcing moves at q4 and q5, and that's about it. However, I don't think you'll get the result that you expect, in your variation. Is move 154 forcing, in your diagram? What if Black plays 155 at 156? With the move 92 variation, I think there's a bit of a conceptual error with the reading. You have white committing to connecting the two stones with q13, after which black captures and white has greatly reduced liberties, and THEN you seem to be having white trying to capture the 5 stones and the center and failing because of lack of liberties. Better the other way around, right? It's certainly plenty good to capture those 5 black stones in the center, connecting 3 weak or potentially weak groups in the process. tommie is right that the aji is cleaner in the game than in your variation for move 152, though I’d say that p7 isn’t really the focal point of that. Simply think of all the ways that Black can play forcing moves in this area, threatening to draw those stones out through the hole at q5. With the game move, clamping at q6, there’s a lot less bad aji; black has useful forcing moves at q4 and q5, and that’s about it.

However, I don’t think you’ll get the result that you expect, in your variation. Is move 154 forcing, in your diagram? What if Black plays 155 at 156?

With the move 92 variation, I think there’s a bit of a conceptual error with the reading. You have white committing to connecting the two stones with q13, after which black captures and white has greatly reduced liberties, and THEN you seem to be having white trying to capture the 5 stones and the center and failing because of lack of liberties. Better the other way around, right? It’s certainly plenty good to capture those 5 black stones in the center, connecting 3 weak or potentially weak groups in the process.

]]> By: Alejo http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/100-weird-game-between-8d-and-9d.html/comment-page-1#comment-185 Alejo Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:00:07 +0000 http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/?p=100#comment-185 Yes, p7 is left as a bad aji, but I must confes that I tried exploring some branches on this move and most of them were favorable to white (though I wasn't able to check if each move was the best for both)... Yes, p7 is left as a bad aji, but I must confes that I tried exploring some branches on this move and most of them were favorable to white (though I wasn’t able to check if each move was the best for both)…

]]> By: Tommie http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/100-weird-game-between-8d-and-9d.html/comment-page-1#comment-184 Tommie Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:33:30 +0000 http://www.alejostenuki.com/blog/?p=100#comment-184 Alejo, it is quite impressive what you analysed around move 92 ff, I didnt see all of that. Concerning move W152, White seems to have preferred a safe variant W56, while your tigermouth suggestion W156 begs for the bad aji at P7 with subsequent escape and/or capture. Tommie on GD Alejo,

it is quite impressive what you analysed around move 92 ff, I didnt see all of that.

Concerning move W152, White seems to have preferred a safe variant W56, while your tigermouth suggestion W156 begs for the bad aji at P7 with subsequent escape and/or capture.

Tommie on GD

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