Goodbye Moyo Go Studio, Good Luck Frank!

Written by alejo on October 1st, 2007

(this post tries to be as objective as possible)

One of the first post I wrote on this blog was about Moyo Go Studio being released freely on the internet by its author, Frank de Groot.

Last week the Go community (the whole Go community) received very bad news:

Moyo Go Studio is not being maintained any more and the company that sold it is out of business.

For quite a few years, I fought an uneven battle against the “Go Software Millionaires” (John Fairbairn, Anders Kierulf) and other “Powers That Be” (Jan van der Steen, Arno Hollosi, AGA’s leadership’s intermediate Philip Waldron).
These people, for financial, ideological or ego- reasons, did not want the product to succeed, and used their clout to initiate a comprehensive boycot of Moyo Go Studio.

Recently, after having perused the website that used to be here, oogle Inc. offered me a job.
This event helped me to see things in their proper perspective, to call it quits on Moyo Go and move on.
Not to Google, but to working on a new software project.

To those customers that protested against the censorship I say thank you and sorry it had to end this way! To those customers who did not: Please don’t email me – it’s too late to change anything.
There will be no more weekly pro games, and due to lack of public interest, I have deleted the sourcecode – making room for my next project.

Frank

This text is extracted from the original MGS site. As you can see, Frank has stopped the development of Moyo Go Studio. And yes, bad news for everyone.

During the last year, there has been a lot of controversy around MGS. You could like Frank, you could dislike him, you could be against his methods, you could just enjoy the result… these are all subjective points of views, but the point, the real fact, is that he was a big Go programmer.

Beyond doubt, Moyo Go Studio is a big program, so full of features you could be exploring them till the extenuation and a reasonable amount of them were exclusive of this software. The computer-side requirements were quite high, but as a reward you had real-time pattern matching which can’t be found on other programs.

The beginning of MGS controversy started with the games collection… and moved on to the forums due to the lack of Frank’s lack of self-control on the internet. And, though it is not possible to settle who shooted, a war started at one of the most important Go communities on the internet: Rec.Games.Go. There you can find most information on the topic.

His program was censored from Sensei’s Library. Uncommon decision by its owners, as it contradicts the fundamentals of the library: “Sensei’s Library is meant to be a place where Go players can meet to find information, contribute information and discuss any items related to Go. (…) You are encouraged to contribute to existing articles and add new ones. Your wisdom will then be available to all subsequent users. You can expand entries and correct mistakes if you see them, or add comments, etc.”
Consequently, if a program is banned from that library, then knowledge is being “deleted” or, at least, it makes much more difficult for common users to reach information.

The American Go Association published a review about Moyo Go Studio which I can’t reproduce here for copyright reasons. Try to get a copy by yourself, compare it with reality and get your own conclusions.

Personally, I don’t know who or what was behind that review, nor do I want to know it. I’ll keep on playing Go, but I think this terrible lost should warn us about the internet Go world. Not everything is as nice as it seems and, currently, there is only one online resource of Go knowledge (with all it carries).

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8 Comments to “Goodbye Moyo Go Studio, Good Luck Frank!”

1. Posted by Mef, October 2nd, 2007 at 8:34 pm

While I can’t say that I personally tried MoyoGo that much (I checked the free version out briefly), I’ve heard several others speak well of it. At the very least it was nice to have another competitor keeping people like SmartGo on their toes.

Just a point of clarification – Sensei’s Library removed the references to MoyoGo after Frank threatened legal action over them. I’m pretty sure a history of that can be found either on SL itself or RGG.

2. Posted by Alejo, October 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pm

Umm… I didn’t know about Frank’s threats… In fact, I don’t really know much about the whole story, I just tried to expose the final result, which is quite disappointing.

Though I guess Frank had his reasons for doing such, we won’t ever know who threw the first stone, so I think that there are more than one person to blame for this: Frank on one side, “the rest” on the other (I still don’t know who to include here).

3. Posted by phantom, October 3rd, 2007 at 11:44 am

If the review you referred to is the one from the E-Journal, you can post it hear without worrying about copyright infringement. A note at the end of each copy of the E-Journal gives permission to reproduce text material so long as proper credit is given. The only reason I can think of not to post it is that Frank considered it to libel and seemed to take offence to seeing it anywhere. Personally, I see no merit in posting the article continuing the debate. But, anyone who wishes to read the article can find it in the E-Journal archives on the AGA site.

4. Posted by Alejo, October 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

Um… I hadn’t checked the E-Journal Copyright… my fault there… Well then, I’ll think about adding it here.

However, the original purpose of this post is not to say something in favor/against someone, it’s just to state a fact that I got aware of: internet Go isn’t as nice as it seems and one of its multiple consequences (losing a good programmer).

5. Posted by Sec, October 8th, 2007 at 12:43 am

Hi, I somehow missed the announcement that there was a free MoyoGo version, and now that the Author pulled it from his website, I wonder if there is still a place where I could get it?

6. Posted by Alejo, October 8th, 2007 at 11:25 am

I’m sorry, but according to MGS license, it’s not legal to distribute it.

You can read more about this topic on the middle posts of “moyo RAM requirements” on GoDiscussions… But, in the end, what really matters is this sentence on MGS license:
“You may not provide access to the software to others, without procuring specific rights to do so from Frank de Groot.”

Some people say it’s available on P2P networks, but I don’t know where exactly as I haven’t done a proper research.

7. Posted by Sec, October 8th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

Seeing that he himself apparently distributed it over torrent and emule, i assumed it wouldn’t be a problem. It looks like I misjudged. Ah well, thanks anyway.

8. Posted by Frankophile, March 2nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

Frank really likes to yell and shout and threaten people on the Internet. Whatever the problem with Sensei, you could count on Frank to blow it out of proportion. From what other people have described, he’s probably also made private death threats to various people involved.

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