Ubuntu+R

Written by alejo on September 1st, 2010

Ubuntu wins by resignation… I give up. Finally, after a few years as an Ubuntu fanboy, I resign. Having convinced my girlfriend and a few foes to try Ubuntu, I’m now realising the benefits of another operative system: Windows. Though this may struck some of you, my devoteness to Ubuntu isn’t enough as to sacrifice more hours trying to adapt it. For some reason, it seems like Ubuntu is designed for two types of users:
-computer-gurus: users who know exactly how to do whatever they want. Modifying the code is as easy as pie for these users, they can customize everything to match exactly their high-demanding needs. A go-equivalent for these users would be like high dan players.
-basic user: they only need some basic software like the office suite, internet browser, music player and some instant messaging applications. These would be low double-digit kyu players.

Inbetween you’ll find a huge amount of users who, just like me, try to modify the system to suit their needs. As a sample we could talk about Compiz, a basic user won’t go any further from the “none-basic-extra” menu while a computer-guru may actually modify the code of the program or write code directly embedded into the compiz-manager. The intermediate user will try to use the compiz-manager without writing code… with success rate varying from one attempt to the next one until it’s satisfactory – a couple of hours later. If we keep on with the go-equivalents, these users would represent single-digit kyu players facing tsumegos of increasing level of difficulty.

During the last month, I’ve realised there are some thing that just didn’t fit my needs. Openoffice is way worse than Microsoft Office, the same happens with Gimp and Photoshop and some other applications. In the end, windows had to be virtualized inside ubuntu so that I could get some stuff done.

This week, I received a new monitor. Trying to get two monitors working at the same time was a mess. Options:
-Twinview: cloning output, only available in nvidia, shows the same image on both monitors… with different resolutions. Useless
-Xinerama: extends the desktop to both monitors… Weird and useless with different resolutions.
-One monitor, one workspace: requires a new Xserver to be launched at the same time and would be troublesome, since I only have one keyboard and mouse.

Meanwhile, I decided to install Windows on a partition. Though I had already fiddled with grub in order to create a Ubuntu+Windows dual boot, I wasn’t aware of the terrible world of shadows I was about to enter… Ubuntu developers had “upgraded” grub to grub2. Oh my god!!!! If microsoft updating Windows Xp to Vista was bad, updating Grub to Grub2 was even worse. It makes everything much more complicated and hardly impossible to deal with if you don’t know how to write code and, moreover, understand it. A 4 pages long thread in a forum with computer gurus couldn’t solve it either. Is this tsumego solvable??

Hours went by, so many I can’t count them with my fingers and toes, trying to make Grub2 work with Windows 7 modification of Master Boot Record, till Proximo came into my mind saying:  ”I use Windows just because everything works right from the beginning”. I resign, you win.

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12 Comments to “Ubuntu+R”

1. Posted by pel, September 1st, 2010 at 7:29 pm

Um, this is not really helpful, but I have an ATI graphics card and I just plugged in my two monitors and went to System->Preferences->Monitors and configured according to my preferences.
Having two monitors never was that easy to configure in Windows – well I lie, it is very similar.

The OO gripes I can understand pretty well though. Usually the problems I have are with Present/PowerPoint – but some features Write/Word are a bit.. frustrating. I use OO for work quite a bit, so I’ve learned to work around some of the kinks. Not optimal, but good enough for me. Worst case I fire up a virtual installation of our windows image.

The problems you have with grub I completely agree with. I’m a bit of high dan player in this field though so it wasn’t very hard for me to read up on it and fix it. There should, however, be tools for these sort of things that are more user-oriented – it’s WAY to complicated for the average user.

2. Posted by Chris, September 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pm

Sorry to hear. It does sound a bit like you’re resigning because of a problem with Windows rather than a problem with Ubuntu, though. :)

3. Posted by alejo, September 1st, 2010 at 8:53 pm

Pel:

Actually “enabling” both monitors was easy, but since they had different resolution, I couldn’t get a satisfactory result. And configuring Compiz to work with Xinerama wasn’t easy either.
I worked around OO by installing a virtual disk with windows… I do regular presentations, so I needed Powerpoint (since everyone has Microsoft’s office)
When it comes to grub… I knew grub “1″, how to deal with it and make minimal modifications. Grub2 is a nightmare.

Chris:
Well… grub2 was just the “final blow”, so to call it. I had already had some previous issues with Ubuntu which took me some long hours/days to solve or fix: reconfiguring system every 6 months, usb webcam didn’t work, 3D graphics… Photoshop and some other propietary software was loaded through wine at first, but then decided to create a virtual Windows disk.
In the end, I’ve decided it just doesn’t worth it, for me. Not yet. I’m too eager to modify any OS default presets but Ubuntu is still too user-unfriendly.

4. Posted by nik, September 2nd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

I was in a similar situation, I had been using Linux for years, but then I started majoring in Chinese and setting up Linux (it was Debian at the time) to handle Chinese character input and display was a major pain still. After messing around with it for a long time, I got frustrated with how much time I spent maintaining the system as opposed to using it. So I went out and bought a mac. All the good stuff of unix with a nice easy gui on top so you don’t have to mess around with details if you don’t want to. Except for a harddrive failure I never had any problems of this kind since so I’m very happy.
As for OO: Everybody knows the cool kids use LaTeX :)

5. Posted by MarcoRosso, September 3rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

Yes, the reason for all this is simple, ubuntu is horrible. Always has been, and always will be. It is the least friendly of the Linux distro’s, speaking from experience here. And Grub 2, I totally agree with u; using grub 1 still, and will NEVER upgrade. I’d rather switch to lilo before grub 2.

As for the reason for ubuntu being the least friendly. It requires a custom ubuntu way to do everything in it. If it used the same way every other linux distro did stuff then it would make sense, and wouldn’t confuse and confound people.

I write this from Arch Linux x64 on my laptop, which I have never had to reinstall to fix any issues, EVER.

MarcoRosso

6. Posted by alejo, September 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

nik:
It seems we had a similar experience. Unfortunately, Apple has created too many fans who follow Steve Jobs rules blindly. There should be some major modifications in Apple’s politics before I adopt its system. So I’ll keep up with Windows.

MarcoRosso
Ubuntu is very friendly for users coming fron windows… and I think it made a major step towards making linux more “easy” and accessible for the low-profile user.
But it’s short on several fields… though my knowledge on other distros is limited.

7. Posted by Guillaume, September 5th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

MarcoRosso : your comment is true, but Arch is much more a distro for SDK linux-user rather than a distro for DDK user.

For my part, I use Linux since 5/6 years without much trouble. The trouble began when I wanted to go on Tygem or TOM. I’m thinking since about virtualizing W$ to fulfill my desire (go on Tygem). Since then I’m really in the mood for change…Let’s see what happens :)

8. Posted by David, September 5th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

Hi Alejo

Sorry to hear about this, it sounds really frustrating.

I had a very similar problem with Windows messing up GRUB once. I used Super GRUB disk (http://www.supergrubdisk.org/) and it fixed it for me. I’m not sure how well it works with GRUB2 at the moment, but it’s worth trying.

I agree with Chris though that Windows has its own problems, including over-writing your master boot record as if no other operating systems exist… :(

By the way I thought you might be interested in a new blog that Younggil An and I have started: http://gogameguru.com
Please let us know what you think :) .

9. Posted by Max, September 11th, 2010 at 12:15 am

This is not an ubuntu problem, this is just another example of why windows fails.
The reason windows seems to “just work” (in reality it doesn’t) is because it is intrusive. Windows 7 and vista in particular seem to have a bad habit of interfereing with the MBR and messing up GRUB, may be that’s wut ur encountering.
Also, it’s a pretty bad idea to install windows after ubuntu, windows installations have a tendency to do unpredictable things like wiping ur entire hard drive clean.

10. Posted by alejo, September 13th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

I’m sorry to say that I can’t disagree with you more: the lack of proper support for dual monitors is not due to Windows and the “downgrade” from grub 1 to grub2 has very little (if anything) to do with Windows… and the list could go on and on

11. Posted by Max, October 14th, 2010 at 4:53 am

What do u mean by proper support? is it not recognizing ur second monitor? http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/08/ubuntu-tips-how-to-setup-dual-monitor/
Gub2 is not really a “downgrade” the vast majority find it a great improvement to legacy Grub, i recall one user saying in a post showing ppl how to downgrade: “Someone will undoubtedly ask, “why would I want to revert to legacy grub”? My answer is, “I hope you don’t”. Grub 2 is the way of the future and I’d bet that a year from now nearly everyone will think of legacy grub as downright prehistoric! If you’re new to Ubuntu I believe you’ll find Grub 2 to be no more complicated than legacy grub, and the documentation continues to improve.”
The fact that you can’t get windows to work with grub IS most likely a windows problem, as i said, windows has a tendency to be intrusive and write crap into the master boot record when it should be leaving well enough alone.
There’s quite a community around windows so finding a working method of doing this can’t be too hard, what graphics card are u using?

12. Posted by Max, October 14th, 2010 at 4:54 am

community around ubuntu* darned typos

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