EGF Updated on 2007-12-06

Finally, it seems like the "monthly" EGF update has come to reality. Though the new database is still not updated, the traditional one already shows the modifications in your rank as well as the new incorporations. One of the newest incorporations it's me. At a level of 10k. Yes, I know it's quite depressing to see once again a double-digit number on my go-rank, but we all know that KGS are slightly higher than EGF's ranking.

As a result of my appearance on that website, I decided to take a tour on it and start analysing some of the tables it offers, centering my attention on the next one:

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| | | Dan players | Kyu players | All players |
| Country | ANT | NP ARGD | NP ARGD | NP ARGD |
----------+------+-------------+-------------+--------------
| Armenia | 7.5 | 0 0 | 2 -86 | 2 -86 |
| Austria | 14.9 | 26 -45 | 83 -16 | 109 -23 |
| Azerba. | 3.0 | 4 -129 | 2 -60 | 6 -106 |
| Bosnia | 17.8 | 5 -190 | 14 -83 | 19 -111 |
| Belgium | 12.5 | 15 -40 | 71 -30 | 86 -31 |
| Bulgaria| 2.5 | 1 -163 | 1 -49 | 2 -106 |
| Belarus | 6.7 | 2 -49 | 4 -99 | 6 -83 |
| Switzer.| 10.9 | 25 -38 | 103 -57 | 128 -53 |
| Cyprus | 5.1 | 3 -63 | 33 -20 | 36 -24 |
| Czechia | 33.9 | 39 -16 | 186 29 | 225 21 |
| Germany | 17.0 | 324 -68 | 920 -49 | 1244 -54 |
| Denmark | 18.1 | 18 -17 | 25 -41 | 43 -31 |
| Estonia | 2.5 | 0 0 | 11 -26 | 11 -26 |
| Spain | 9.3 | 19 10 | 146 0 | 165 1 |
| Finland | 14.8 | 43 -20 | 142 -32 | 185 -30 |
| France | 15.7 | 122 -51 | 423 3 | 545 -9 |
| Croatia | 28.4 | 7 -116 | 13 -16 | 20 -51 |
| Hungary | 25.2 | 18 -46 | 73 -8 | 91 -16 |
| Ireland | 11.5 | 3 -53 | 16 -70 | 19 -67 |
| Israel | 2.5 | 16 5 | 53 3 | 69 4 |
| Italy | 13.5 | 14 -17 | 145 -23 | 159 -22 |
| Lithuan.| 14.2 | 8 -62 | 66 -75 | 74 -74 |
| Luxembu.| 12.0 | 4 -63 | 4 -25 | 8 -44 |
| Moldova | 24.0 | 1 -64 | 0 0 | 1 -64 |
| Netherl.| 25.1 | 99 -50 | 226 -39 | 325 -42 |
| Norway | 11.0 | 10 -85 | 30 -37 | 40 -49 |
| Poland | 19.9 | 43 -18 | 305 -30 | 348 -29 |
| Portugal| 9.2 | 3 -64 | 12 7 | 15 -7 |
| Romania | 33.2 | 59 -71 | 33 -72 | 92 -71 |
| Serbia | 22.6 | 31 -100 | 48 -15 | 79 -49 |
| Russia | 16.6 | 102 -10 | 230 -9 | 332 -9 |
| Sweden | 11.1 | 31 -116 | 118 -41 | 149 -56 |
| Slovenia| 25.3 | 22 -72 | 25 -77 | 47 -75 |
| Slovakia| 39.7 | 10 4 | 68 -12 | 78 -10 |
| Turkey | 4.1 | 22 -66 | 159 -29 | 181 -33 |
| Ukraine | 13.3 | 36 -53 | 179 -12 | 215 -19 |
| UK | 22.1 | 108 -60 | 301 -35 | 409 -42 |
----------+------+-------------+-------------+--------------
| EURO | 17.7 | 1294 -51 | 4270 -27 | 5564 -33 |
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ARGD (Average of Rating - Grade Difference) the average difference between the actual GoRating and the GoR value corresponding to the grade of players (e. g., 1 dan with GoR = 2138 means ARGD = 38).
NP (Number of Players) the numbers of players included in the database (only players appearing in current rating ladders are counted).
ANT (Average Number of Tournaments) the average of number of tournaments over the sample of players from a given country.
Country the countries, ordered according to their internet codes. We also included some countries which are not in Europe geographically (AM = Armenia, IL = Israel).

On the forecoming paragraphs, whenever I talk about "go player", I refer to "EGF-rated go player", which is not exactly the same, as many low DDK won't appear here.

First of all, and the most obvious one, the European country with most Go players is Germany, with 1244 players. In fact, German representation in the European Go circles is very high as they are about a fifth of the total amount. The inmediate follower, with less than a half of players, is France, with 545.

The next range of numbers to analyse is the dan/kyu proportion of the countries with most Go players. We can see that a fourth of German players have already reached the EGF dan barrier, as well as the French ones. A little bit lower on the table we may realise that Russia holds a nice dan/kyu ratio with about a third of the players having reached the dan level. The one that strikes me the most, anyway, is the case of Romania: there are twice more dan players than kyus. I assume that kyu players must be somewhat afraid of taking part in tournaments as they would have about 64% chances of fighting against dans if it wasn't because of the pairing systems...

Talking about the dan/kyu proportion... it seems like mediterranean countries don't have a high proportion, while countries in the east and the north tend to have better ones. It might be a compensation for having a worse diet.

Another weird number is the "Average Rating-Grade Difference", which is the difference between what you said you were (10k, for example) and the rating points you ended up after the tournaments (1120, for example). As you can see, the only positive result we find there is for Spain; there are a few explanations for this phenomena: Spanish players have a nice winning streak on international tournaments, or we are more realistic about our level than the rest of Europe or we are too closed to international tournaments that the level remains somewhat stable in our country.

Any other analysis or explanation for the weird numbers?

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    Cieply's database is usually up to date, and EGD usually isn't. Actually on Cieply's site database is updated two days ago again
    (look at http://gemma.ujf.cas.cz/~cieply/GO/alleuro.lp )
    #1 Slartibartfast (Homepage) on 2007-12-19 03:57 (Reply)
    Thank you for the comment, I had already noticed that Cieply's database is updated "first" and then, a few days later, comes the EGD.
    That link you offer is the updated list, right? I hadn't seen it... seems like Cieply usually updates this list every few days and the "main one" once a month.

    Thank you for the link
    #1.1 Alejo on 2007-12-19 08:51 (Reply)
    I believe that these numbers are only derived from European tournaments, not local ones.
    That would explain why from Romania we see such a high ratio of dan players to kyu players: dan players have a hope to win and such get some of the travel expenses covered, so they show up in higher numbers than kyu players to European tournaments.
    At least that's my explanation.

    Sorin
    #2 Sorin Gherman (Homepage) on 2007-12-24 15:05 (Reply)
    Hi Sorin,

    I'm glad to see you around here, seems like we both watch the others blog ;-)

    The tournaments which are valid for the EGF need to follow a few rules involving time limits, handicap and pairing system. And being recognized by the EGF.

    My last (and only) tournament was held among local players, with 2 dans and 12 kyu players, there weren't enough boards for all the tables so some players brought their own, and the clocks were borrowed from a bigger club... If a tournament created with such resources is accepted, I don't see why other clubs wouldn't be able to create such events.

    But I think that your idea might be in the right direction and I'm missing something...
    #2.1 Alejo on 2007-12-25 03:23 (Reply)

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