(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00] GN[final US qualifier for 6th World Ing Cup]PW[Mingjiu Jiang]PB[Feng Yun]WR[7p]BR[9p]DT[2007-12-07]PC[KGS]US[Dennis Wheeler] ;B[pd]C[evave [9k\]: r there pros in US? Lessdrunk [-\]: lol moruganu [1d?\]: no ] ;W[dd]C[kilroy [2d\]: they moved here pwaldron [-\]: foreign certified pros living in the US Gambate [3d?\]: how much time? ] ;B[pq]C[codemonkey [3k\]: there is an American Professional Go Association evave [9k\]: ok codemonkey [3k\]: it just isn't active :) pwaldron [-\]: Games will be Ing rules (NewZealand rules), 1 hour each main time, 5 periods of 30 sec overtime. Antalvic [8k\]: there are pro..redmond etc... ] ;W[dp]C[evave [9k\]: in redmond? datagram [6k\]: Yeah, a few, only 3-4 though, and most live/play overseas Antalvic [8k\]: named redmond wpeunh: Shimari at the corner codemonkey [3k\]: Michael Redmond 9p datagram [6k\]: janice kim, redmond, kerwin ] ;B[fq]C[wpeunh: or not evave [9k\]: 9p?....wow Antalvic [8k\]: i like Kim (and her books too) rubik [5d?\]: lets try to beat the 550 observers of yesterday :) codemonkey [3k\]: I don't know who to root for evave [9k\]: ya...but y? kukulis4 [2d\]: 9dan play against 7 with black Gambate [3d?\]: i saw one time more than 700 observers pwaldron [-\]: better yet, let's beat yesterday's kibitz quality :) ssgross [7k\]: go mingjiu! wpeunh: I root on black :) ] ;W[hq]C[Antalvic [8k\]: they did nigiri they play even evave [9k\]: dont start on observers please Violence [?\]: Feng Yun won the nigiri. ssgross [7k\]: mingjiu gives lessons at my go club beowulf07 [1d\]: attack so early devil965 [8k\]: wow kukulis4 [2d\]: regular fuseki Prodigious [4d\]: It's a pretty usual move narutonogo [2k\]: pwaldron: any idea why is the game setup so confusing? why is it being clicked over? we see the moves with delay, we don't see the time settings etc... devil965 [8k\]: so lucky ssgross Gambate [3d?\]: thats not an attack wpeunh: pincer? pwaldron [-\]: game is being played for real in a private room, this is a relay ] ;B[cn]C[devil965 [8k\]: pincer YutaFukui [2d\]: very good move :p pwaldron [-\]: so time settings etc not set here devil965 [8k\]: counter pincer PapayaMan [?\]: why is the one wwith higher rank gets to be black ? narutonogo [2k\]: pwaldron: yes but why is it relayed? devil965 [8k\]: wait devil965 [8k\]: nigiri PapayaMan [?\]: ohh yeah pwaldron [-\]: dunno devil965 [8k\]: all pros are nearly the same TooStrong: why didnt hey just play free game now we cant scroll back moves :( evave [9k\]: d6 ? devil965 [8k\]: so they nigiri devil965 [8k\]: watch hikaru no go narutonogo [2k\]: hm :) oh well.. PapayaMan [?\]: i see thnx devil965 [8k\]: u understand there Riwand [4k\]: toostrong just view offline Prodigious [4d\]: TooStrong, view offline Iceborg [5k\]: probably because amount of kibitz yesterday caused lag Toge [8k\]: You can see past moves by selecting "show in offline" yukatto [3k\]: is this game live? evave [9k\]: ya devil965 [8k\]: yes ] ;W[fp]C[TooStrong: c3 ] ;B[cq]C[devil965 [8k\]: lol Antalvic [8k\]: i love the graph of dafei Iceborg [5k\]: e3 pwaldron [-\]: for what it's worth, my game database says that this position has black winning ~60% of the time gepay [2k\]: the quality of the kibbitz is the poorest thing about kgs devil965 [8k\]: we expected that TooStrong: e3 evave [9k\]: USGO.....ne link for game info? ] ;W[cp]C[TooStrong: omggg devil965 [8k\]: USGO is a recorder guyh eyeshield [8k?\]: ^^ ] ;B[dq]C[Prodigious [4d\]: E3 is for chumps Iceborg [5k\]: hehe devil965 [8k\]: he gets special stuff devil965 [8k\]: from TV Touchi: well b could have g4 c4 so c3 want too obvious ] ;W[ep]C[devil965 [8k\]: probably works for the pro world ] ;B[fr]C[Just4Fun [1k?\]: and whats the confidence, pwaldron? Meloku [-\]: H5 'd be a little slow paced K2na [7k\]: c10 ? pwaldron [-\]: on a set of 12 games, Just4Fun ] ;W[bp]C[Just4Fun [1k?\]: so no confidence at all :D ] ;B[dj]C[narutonogo [2k\]: (the real game has already 29 moves played) K2na [7k\]: why not c10 the move before ? michiel2 [1k\]: how is this equal? pwaldron [-\]: white is thick Prodigious [4d\]: White gets thick jjermann [3k\]: can white kill the corner? K2na [7k\]: well, he was already no ? kukulis4 [2d\]: white has attack on cornder FrozenV7 [5k\]: white is heavy :o) not thick wpeunh: Another c8 now? xD beowulf07 [1d\]: no Violence [?\]: Black plays fast, I like white. Prodigious [4d\]: K2na, nah :) Violence [?\]: err Meloku [-\]: kill the corner? lol you're so funny guys :p Violence [?\]: black Zog [5d\]: this is just joseki michiel2 [1k\]: white has no territory and no potential territory there ] ;W[br]C[Prodigious [4d\]: You need to learn to appreciate thickness ] ;B[gq]C[Meloku [-\]: he's thick, more than enough ] ;W[hp]C[Antalvic [8k\]: good shape^^ K2na [7k\]: i would like to appreciate too ^^ narutonogo [2k\]: why do we see only 18 moves when real game has 30 already? :( brm [2d\]: it is joseki Toge [8k\]: Because it takes some time to relay the moves. Be patient. Violence [?\]: USGO1 is a little slow on the relay? K2na [7k\]: than white ought to use its thickness to attack white with some invasion no ? Meloku [-\]: narutonogo, becaose you're suffering heavy lag '_' Prodigious [4d\]: Yeah, the game ended already Antalvic [8k\]: lol K2na [7k\]: (to attack black) Macaauceni [13k\]: lol narutonogo [2k\]: toge: it's annoying enough that there _is_ a relay at all :( maybe I'm just moody today Intake [2d\]: where is this game being played? ] ;B[hr]C[narutonogo [2k\]: intake: in AGA Tournament Room Iceborg [5k\]: c12 now ! radishimo [12k\]: on a goban Touchi: wow, if it ended already then it was quite a fast one xD rubik [5d?\]: strasnge opening narutonogo [2k\]: radishimo: wrong, on KGS Intake [2d\]: i mean, the location of the goban ] ;W[ir]C[Meloku [-\]: B is trying to develop quickly, but W's thickness seems superior to B's territory by now Toge [8k\]: Nothing we can do about it so no use complaining. Intake [2d\]: narutonogo thinks he is clever pwaldron [-\]: k2 + ko now? Antalvic [8k\]: there is no goban, it's a virtual game Intake [2d\]: but i would own him on the go board kukulis4 [2d\]: looks even Prodigious [4d\]: Seems pretty even so far narutonogo [2k\]: intake: doubtlessly Violence [?\]: I like black Meloku [-\]: they wouldn't be pros if it wasn't on move 20 prodigious Meloku [-\]: :) TooStrong: b will win cuz hes 9p ] ;B[jr]C[rubik [5d?\]: lol pwaldron [-\]: b = she brm [2d\]: b is better rubik [5d?\]: this is not tru at all Antalvic [8k\]: yose? already? asap [6k\]: Mingjiu has beat Feng Yun with white before rubik [5d?\]: 9p get beaten quite often by 1p K2na [7k\]: so white should resign right ^^ ? pwaldron [-\]: Mingjiu won their last fight Fredi [6d\]: Yes it's already yose Just4Fun [1k?\]: b is he, w is she. always. Violence [?\]: Mingjiu won during their last encounter in the ING cup Meloku [-\]: koyose started on move 10 TooStrong: with handi? evave [9k\]: h1 ?...ko? Meloku [-\]: now yose's starting raneup444 [9k\]: what is yose?!?!?! ganuong [4d\]: b is woman? kukulis4 [2d\]: lol rubik [5d?\]: a 7p doesn't take handi stones Antalvic [8k\]: yose= endgame moves Violence [?\]: wow... Mingjiu invites a ko ] ;W[hs]C[raneup444 [9k\]: ok raneup444 [9k\]: thx Lessdrunk [-\]: lol Meloku [-\]: isn't it rather B that invited him? ] ;B[gs]C[Fredi [6d\]: This will be most likely be a great game YutaFukui [2d\]: toostrong the pro level is not like the noob Lacrymal [-\]: black is crawling? jjermann [3k\]: who was laughing about b killing the corner? ^^ ] ;W[gr]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: ko at very begining Meloku [-\]: I was rubik [5d?\]: VERY strasnge opening kukulis4 [2d\]: should be good for white Hendrix [1d\]: this shows up in kombilo =) TooStrong: where is b ko thret Violence [?\]: Er, yeah, black invites ko Hendrix [1d\]: b g4 ] ;B[gp]C[rubik [5d?\]: really ? kukulis4 [2d\]: oh ganuong [4d\]: fine for w? Meloku [-\]: don't get this, why should he start this ko kukulis4 [2d\]: local threat rubik [5d?\]: what list do you have for kombilo ? Hendrix [1d\]: and w f1 Hendrix [1d\]: or so Meloku [-\]: W must eat, but this doens't make any sense Hendrix [1d\]: =) kukulis4 [2d\]: sorry, this doesnt look good for white :) ] ;W[fs]C[YutaFukui [2d\]: prefer white :) TooStrong: resign time Hendrix [1d\]: look.. i'm 9p :) Violence [?\]: I like white alot. nihongo [6k\]: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/fengyun/ Meloku [-\]: position will be complicated from the very beginning on asap [6k\]: i like wight babal: i like bloq ] ;B[go]C[ronni [1d?\]: w better start in game kukulis4 [2d\]: asap: fun spelling ;) evave [9k\]: d1 connects? cynewulf [-\]: this is madness ganuong [4d\]: w can connect at e2 Antalvic [8k\]: capsuji time^^ Lacrymal [-\]: whaou! Touchi: this cant be too good for b -.- Hendrix [1d\]: Huang Xiangren vs Zhang Zhengping ... played like this kukulis4 [2d\]: is this joseki ? ;) MatchFree [-\]: this sucks for black :) evave [9k\]: e6 simple? Defeat [5k\]: real time? Meloku [-\]: don't compare 4ds' tesujies to 9ps' though Zog [5d\]: cannot be joseki :) ] ;W[dm]C[RocheL [-\]: lol @ kukulis Fredi [6d\]: This has been played in pr ogames, at least :) Meloku [-\]: lol :p RocheL [-\]: at least in one ^^ Icare [2d\]: yeah kind of web style .... Hendrix [1d\]: ah, but d7 is new Hendrix [1d\]: =) ganuong [4d\]: difficult for b Hendrix [1d\]: or maybe not Meloku [-\]: I was think the same Icare yithril [-\]: go feng yun! yithril [-\]: get evenge! Meloku [-\]: *ing K2na [7k\]: yep, black seems weak everywhere narutonogo [2k\]: in how many games was this played? ] ;B[es]C[TooStrong: in one 30k game Icare [2d\]: ?? Lacrymal [-\]: we2 kukulis4 [2d\]: lol evave [9k\]: e2 Violence [?\]: c8? Meloku [-\]: a betting game between two 30k; he who bet correctly got chosen sor ING Cup kukulis4 [2d\]: I vote for c8 blu62 [7k\]: actually w is also attackable on both groups, no? Meloku [-\]: maybe C13 fthvrl [6k\]: f7 babal: first line ine the begining o_O kukulis4 [2d\]: white E8 good also Fredi [6d\]: next w move will be quite interesting i guess kukulis4 [2d\]: e8 correct chape Cassis0 [2d\]: lol black probably know what he does ] ;W[in]C[Prodigious [4d\]: Don't worry, I know what I'm doing Violence [?\]: J6 Violence [?\]: interesting. Lacrymal [-\]: lol evave [9k\]: isnt that risky/ Meloku [-\]: I feel like everytime I see you prodigious your rank grew TooStrong: how risky? Prodigious [4d\]: I've been really lazy lately actually waldo [5k\]: f7 kukulis4 [2d\]: its not so easy to guess pro moves Meloku [-\]: haven't seen you for a long time Icare [2d\]: e1 is more or less pass .. beowulf07 [1d\]: ming jiu having the big picture? narutonogo [2k\]: icare: no way Prodigious [4d\]: Pros tend to have the big picture TooStrong: its soon resign time for b evave [9k\]: loke b e6 or d6 evave [9k\]: like* ] ;B[jq]C[TooStrong: game looks too goof for w Lessdrunk [-\]: she = B Cassis0 TooStrong: good Hendrix [1d\]: seemes like Cho U played like B once too Prodigious [4d\]: It doesn't look that bad for black Icare [2d\]: naruto: you suppose pro does not make any mistake ? narutonogo [2k\]: icare: no, but I like e1... splits white groups, and h3 is under attack FrozenV7 [5k\]: se says its even ] ;W[ho]C[RocheL [-\]: i've semme a pro play a 10-stone auto atari =) RocheL [-\]: *seen Violence [?\]: mmm... Prodigious [4d\]: Everybody's seen that one Meloku [-\]: sh!t happens RocheL RocheL [-\]: quite funny =) Durgrim [5k\]: nice game ^^ narutonogo [2k\]: I wouldn't mind so much being black here ] ;B[gn]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: $h|t happen even in pro games ;) Icare [2d\]: I am no really convince that black is attaking w Meloku [-\]: not yet Dugrim WVoron [4d\]: c7 kukulis4 [2d\]: E8 narutonogo [2k\]: isn't c8 more reasonable? yithril [-\]: i was thinking 9 yithril [-\]: id hate to c7 Violence [?\]: c9 feels like overplay Violence [?\]: I'd like to c8 yithril [-\]: id like e9 to lean evave [9k\]: d6 ? kilroy [2d\]: I'm with WVoron on this one ] ;W[cm]C[yithril [-\]: oh ok fine WVoron [4d\]: oops bizet [7k\]: how much time is alotted to this game? WVoron [4d\]: g8 wpeunh: 1hour brm [2d\]: ha ha wpeunh: +30sec byo bizet [7k\]: each? wpeunh: each waldo [5k\]: I have heard the mermaids singing each to each Jenghis [2k\]: where waldo? waldo [5k\]: in a poem kukulis4 [2d\]: anybody try to guess next move ? ;) ] ;B[gs]C[Icare [2d\]: Nobody wuld have bet on tjis one MatchFree [-\]: black has potential for 3 weak groups :( kukulis4 [2d\]: :) Icare [2d\]: this* ] ;W[hr]C[babal: so true icare Nickless [2k\]: hm Nickless [2k\]: thats weird Nickless [2k\]: why in names ] ;B[gl]C[Meloku [-\]: mind games WVoron [4d\]: oops Icare [2d\]: ? normal move ? Snakeman [8k\]: is this still joseki ? Nickless [2k\]: is mingjiu jian 7p [7p\] ? Nickless [2k\]: 2 times 7p Antalvic [8k\]: i bet on one big semeai WVoron [4d\]: i bet on w +3 Nickless [2k\]: and in Feng Yun 2 times 9p Nickless [2k\]: : > Violence [?\]: Fuuten, your rank graph is amazing. sentience [1k?\]: i bet Antalvic loses his bet ] ;W[il]C[snowdog [7k\]: [81p\] woudl be rather impressive BigPlunder [2k\]: allways hard to ignore ball the bullshittalker ] ;B[gj]C[babal: m3 ? Violence [?\]: c12? kukulis4 [2d\]: n3 ] ;W[nq]C[Lego [6k\]: n4 kukulis4 [2d\]: or n4 kukulis4 [2d\]: near ;) Lego [6k\]: yep ^^ svgo [4k\]: right idea MatchFree [-\]: so far white made profit, and you cant call black thick.. yuline [1d\]: how many time have player? evave [9k\]: b not that bad rite? ] ;B[ko]C[abbadan [-\]: n5 MatchFree [-\]: they play pretty fast illa [4k\]: o5 Violence [?\]: L7? Intake [2d\]: Q4 or N3 im guessing Lego [6k\]: same, o5 i think bizet [7k\]: o5 Just4Fun [1k?\]: o5 Intake [2d\]: m3* Murugandi [3d\]: L7 ] ;W[pp]C[Murugandi [3d\]: lol Lessdrunk [-\]: lol sentience [1k?\]: C vraiment des barbares Lego [6k\]: q4 Just4Fun [1k?\]: ^^ Durgrim [5k\]: En effet :p USGO1 [-\]: the players each still have about 45 minutes left Intake [2d\]: oops areal [2d?\]: stay away from L5 Promicine [12k\]: coup de massu !! josette [2d\]: massue Just4Fun [1k?\]: leaning attack? ] ;B[qp]C[areal [2d?\]: yeap Violence [?\]: feels like it's that kind of idea WVoron [4d\]: p4 evave [9k\]: if b l78...then? evave [9k\]: l8* beowulf07 [1d\]: too far Intake [2d\]: if b L8, b gets owned sentience [1k?\]: ^^ moruganu [1d?\]: p4 Antalvic [8k\]: cut? Violence [?\]: p3? ] ;W[qo]C[WVoron [4d\]: oo Violence [?\]: whoa. nihongo [6k\]: c'est une partie difficile a comprendre!! NspctrGdgt [5k\]: nice NspctrGdgt [5k\]: mingjiu skillz hadi [13k\]: vi!!!! Durgrim [5k\]: Comme toutes les parties de pros :p Fredi [6d\]: hmm Murugandi [3d\]: ftw Nwalma [11k\]: hehe Intake [2d\]: this sacrifices O3, no? Fredi [6d\]: I thought W would crosscut, interesting.. :) yuline [1d\]: c'est clair : je te tapes sur la gueule le + fort que je peux!! Promicine [12k\]: lol TooStrong: pro too strong ] ;B[op]C[Just4Fun [1k?\]: q5 yuline [1d\]: you are not pro sentience [1k?\]: are you guessing J4F? Just4Fun [1k?\]: yes :D CSNnY [3k\]: wooooooooow 9p Intake [2d\]: T1 blubb [1d\]: the lower left looks so weird CSNnY [3k\]: is he god? Arwenia [6k\]: ca a l'air severe Balnc Q5 et noir P3 apres sentience [1k?\]: one wonders Sagara02 [7k\]: Je pense pas que blanc va faire Q5 ... aditsu [3k?\]: 9p lose games too Titanium89: An active plan WVoron [4d\]: w+ Intake [2d\]: feng yun is famous enough for people to know shes a woman right? FrIeDcHiKn [12k?\]: w sacrificed to much brm [2d\]: t2 ganuong [4d\]: ENGLISH please sentience [1k?\]: il y a pas d'autre coup que q5 ] ;W[po]C[Nwalma [11k\]: pourquoi pas q5? Nwalma [11k\]: lol NspctrGdgt [5k\]: what is white's plan NicolasGo [10k\]: lol Arwenia [6k\]: lol francais pliz Durgrim [5k\]: Why englsi ? french is a beautiful language :D ] ;B[oq]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: o3 look wrong placed now Toge [8k\]: ganuong, there's no rule that we must speak English. wpeunh: W Q10 Sagara02 [7k\]: Je trouve ça trop simple, parfois ='( WVoron [4d\]: w want r3 TooStrong: this is american tournament blu62 [7k\]: feng yun is a woman? WVoron [4d\]: sente Lessdrunk [-\]: yes Sagara02 [7k\]: Y a tjs un truc qui se cache derrière >< Just4Fun [1k?\]: p5? sentience [1k?\]: this is french kibbitzers Nickless [2k\]: geez speak language that everybody understand Violence [?\]: N5? blubb [1d\]: lol, Nickless Arwenia [6k\]: blanc voudrai le bord Est alors Intake [2d\]: clone the game in the french room brm [2d\]: čenglish is boring... Intake [2d\]: losers hadi [13k\]: and when its a japan tournament, we speak japanese????? Grinder [6k\]: oui babal: si Nwalma [11k\]: lol hadi [13k\]: lol kukulis4 [2d\]: L7 important Lessdrunk [-\]: yes please ] ;W[qq]C[Mythal [2k?\]: Joo, puhukee suomee immeiset. machego [2k\]: there should be a bot answering questions like "how strong is black" or "is black a woman" hadi [13k\]: vive le francais!! Toge [8k\]: Samaa mieltä Muthalin kanssa. blu62 [7k\]: no americans still think that only english is the right language CSNnY [3k\]: salu frerot Lessdrunk [-\]: we have HU hadi [13k\]: yop toi kex [5k\]: totta kai, ainoa oikea kieli Antalvic [8k\]: vous nous faites passer pour des boulets la...T_T sentience [1k?\]: loooo lessdrunk blubb [1d\]: if you suggest that "everybody" understands English, that's interesting news sentience [1k?\]: lol* moruganu [1d?\]: lolouai un peu Grinder [6k\]: mais nan :p playernogo [8k\]: lol ^^ Nickless [2k\]: blubb average Lessdrunk [-\]: :) BigPlunder [2k\]: focus on the game pls KoKoLat [1k\]: i soliti galletti Arwenia [6k\]: parlez de la partie plutot lol brm [2d\]: has black a skirt? moruganu [1d?\]: lol Leonhart [3k?\]: jaahas... TooStrong: everybody should understand english if they dont they should study it eclaireur [1k\]: ^^ Grinder [6k\]: et ta mere elle a skip? wpeunh: やかましい Grinder [6k\]: skyp (pardon) Sagara02 [7k\]: Bon, si on peut même pas parler français ni anglais ici ... Arwenia [6k\]: -_- zazie [-\]: please stop the language troll, in every language they want moruganu [1d?\]: eu zazie [-\]: and focus on the game Durgrim [5k\]: Groupons nous et demain, l'internationale sera le genre humain ! aditsu [3k?\]: everybody should learn lojban playernogo [8k\]: lol suboptimal [4k\]: can any dans comment on why this line of play is good for white? ] ;B[qr] ;W[rp]C[MatchFree [-\]: white a voids fighting with 2 weak groups kukulis4 [2d\]: not sure, but O3 looks wrong to me aptpupil [15k\]: will anyone explain to me why a 7p is white and why a 9p is black? Nickless [2k\]: nigiri zazie [-\]: no pro in handicap games, and that's nigiri sentience [1k?\]: pro magic aptpupil [15k\]: sushi? Intake [2d\]: well, black is confined to this one small area, he has no potential Intake [2d\]: white does MatchFree [-\]: if white played p4 then both j6 and p4 would be weak and black only has one group l5 kukulis4 [2d\]: because this is qualification tournament Antalvic [8k\]: because they play even and feng winned the nigiri zazie [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Nigiri playernogo [8k\]: sushi ?!?! aditsu [3k?\]: because w is polite towards a lady Intake [2d\]: she* Lessdrunk [-\]: yes brm [2d\]: lady... kukulis4 [2d\]: k7 blubb [1d\]: they fight so violently they must be disagreeing about some values ] ;B[jm]C[aptpupil [15k\]: nigiri... it's a word associated with a method of preparing raw fish hadi [13k\]: oo Just4Fun [1k?\]: j7! playernogo [8k\]: lol NateRiver [9k\]: selon vous (les puissants, pas les "k") qui des deux a l'avantage actuellement? hadi [13k\]: lol "les puissants" aptpupil [15k\]: but apparently it means "guess my stones" in go land HoangVu [-\]: or like the korean HoangVu [-\]: Omg you have territory! alanis [1k\]: je dirais noir HoangVu [-\]: Vanish! HoangVu [-\]: :p amosis [2d\]: faut demander a motoki^^ zazie [-\]: la position noire me paraît appréciable Intake [2d\]: tu es stupide zazie [-\]: blanc a un groupe faible, pas noir Nickless [2k\]: to ja zaczne po swojemu pff aptpupil [15k\]: you is stupid? Sagara02 [7k\]: Je me demande comment ça va se passer pour le groupe ='( alanis [1k\]: je suis d'accord brm [2d\]: h8 Arwenia [6k\]: noir est le chasseur ... pour le moment ei [1d\]: no to zaczynaj l( ei [1d\]: ;) Nickless [2k\]: ^^ Nickless [2k\]: daj spokoj : D krishnadas [7k\]: is it because i am not a dan player that i am not foolowing the conversation? kukulis4 [2d\]: noir position is good ;) cassidy [13k?\]: przestan to zaraz sie zaczna polish jokes ei [1d\]: poki co bialy ma klopoty Nickless [2k\]: dobrze jest Grinder [6k\]: black Intake [2d\]: no, its just the language barrier krishnadas bizet [7k\]: heh polský vtipy sou super Nickless [2k\]: jak cos to kibicujemy dla mingjiu : D Jenghis [2k\]: yes krishnadas : ) krishnadas [7k\]: i speak 7 languages Sagara02 [7k\]: O_o Intake [2d\]: o brm [2d\]: jo jo Grinder [6k\]: happy4you hadi [13k\]: good for you aptpupil [15k\]: i speak 8 waldo [5k\]: at the same time? blu62 [7k\]: wow Intake [2d\]: then yes, its because you are not dan Arwenia [6k\]: Les anglophones sont suceptible quand meme wpeunh: se on niinku yks vitun hailee puhuuko tääl pelistä vai jotaa muuta suboptimal [4k\]: I can hear over 200 languages... aptpupil [15k\]: all the time krishnadas [7k\]: hehehehe :) cassidy [13k?\]: pff, JP2 understood about 20 Antalvic [8k\]: i speak stone language (so beautiful) kukulis4 [2d\]: sorry, I speek only 3 :/ playernogo [8k\]: lol yithril [-\]: slacker gepay [2k\]: looks like weak group makes w have to follow orders for a while aptpupil [15k\]: i'm a filthy american who speaks only english playernogo [8k\]: 3 too ^ ] ;W[im]C[Grinder [6k\]: c'est cool de pouvoir voir d'aussi belles parties en direct waldo [5k\]: he speaks 7 and understands none Grinder [6k\]: :) Tyregh [3d\]: love is the only necessary language!!!! playernogo [8k\]: :) bizet [7k\]: do programming languages count? ^^ zazie [-\]: J11 ? ] ;B[ij]C[KoKoLat [1k\]: american do speak english? :-P kukulis4 [2d\]: can understand 2 more but not speak :) yithril [-\]: go players are .... ziemlich besheurt aptpupil [15k\]: not well Just4Fun [1k?\]: I speak at least 9. America [1d?\]: USA #1 ! Just4Fun [1k?\]: german, english, c, c++, java, pascal, asm, scheme, prolog sweety [-\]: Let's keep the comments about the game. ei [1d\]: patrzcie kibice zmienili temat ei [1d\]: xD enigm4 [11k\]: tak hehe kukulis4 [2d\]: I speak java too ;) Macaauceni [13k\]: sweety is right... waldo [5k\]: black stones are spreading like a fungus Nickless [2k\]: to dzieki mnie ! Nickless [2k\]: ; \] Arwenia [6k\]: noir va construire c'est dure pour blanc la enigm4 [11k\]: :D yithril [-\]: one comment sends you all on a tirade of inane chat babal: qbasic ftw kukulis4 [2d\]: but java is based on english ;) enigm4 [11k\]: masz sie czym chwalic enigm4 [11k\]: hehe enigm4 [11k\]: trolu ] ;W[fm]C[yithril [-\]: i didnt like r5 for white cuz of this petraube [1k\]: a la finale allemande ils se permettent de parler allemand yithril [-\]: seems hard Nickless [2k\]: jak ty do mnie mowisz ;\] ? aditsu [3k?\]: log.info("me too"); Nickless [2k\]: zreszta dlaczego o0 ? Sagara02 [7k\]: Noir H6 ? enigm4 [11k\]: ;) ] ;B[gm]C[CSNnY [3k\]: h8? KLUM [4k?\]: Короче европейский чемпионом был русский!!! предлагаю пока не впринудительном но в настойчивом порядке перейти на русский!!! amosis [2d\]: w resign? Violence [?\]: I didn't like white's play, because if I were playing, I don't want to give a pro control of the game Just4Fun [1k?\]: isnt math a language too? blu62 [7k\]: i would very much appreciate some comments from dans how they see it America [1d?\]: i see red white and blue Violence [?\]: But I feel this is even yithril [-\]: i think situation is quite good for black ] ;W[km]C[Tyregh [3d\]: territory is unimportant yithril [-\]: violence and i have difference of opinion i suppose ;) plusguy [-\]: [dan\] : i have no idia what the hell this 2 are doin zazie [-\]: however, he still has no really territory zazie [-\]: he should manage this attack to get some points finally moruganu [1d?\]: charles tes la chibvri [21k?\]: OUiiiiiiiii Defeat [5k\]: they are killers zazie [-\]: which is not yet done amosis [2d\]: but center thick Tyregh [3d\]: b has control ei [1d\]: nie lubie takich wolnych gier xD enigm4 [11k\]: tak, przymula Violence [?\]: L7 is cool cassidy [13k?\]: dlatego oglada sie je przy dobrej kawie kukulis4 [2d\]: KLUM: обойдёшся пока без руского ;) enigm4 [11k\]: albo wraca do monitora co 30 minut ei [1d\]: dzis obezjalem od 8-13 obejzalem 3 gey wsumie ei [1d\]: *gry Nickless [2k\]: ja robie tak jak enigma : p aptpupil [15k\]: these guys play sooo slooow Macaauceni [13k\]: K8... blubb [1d\]: M7? ei [1d\]: ja chodze po herbate bo kawa dla mnie zabójcza ;) cassidy [13k?\]: no to nie patrzcie biernie cassidy [13k?\]: tylko sprobujcie pokumac co oni robis cassidy [13k?\]: robia enigm4 [11k\]: polacy chata przejeli hehe amosis [2d\]: L9? Nickless [2k\]: opanowalismy czat to wystarczy enigm4 [11k\]: no wlasnie ei [1d\]: dokladnie waldo [5k\]: if you think L7 is cool wait til you see black K8 Tyregh [3d\]: soon b will f17??? TooStrong: abla abla kfoe akeu ktoep keario kaskti abbadan [-\]: k8 vargsvans [2k?\]: Yes, the only time setting allowed should be 10s blitz, one period. hadi [13k\]: k8 ei [1d\]: czarny chce przyatakowac a bialy zrobil mu zajebiste tesuki ei [1d\]: *tesuji hadi [13k\]: black K8 aptpupil [15k\]: i agree. thinking is for losers Nickless [2k\]: mysle ze bialy da see raade Nickless [2k\]: przeciez na senseis pisze hadi [13k\]: and white dead kukulis4 [2d\]: zajebiste, sounds fun blu62 [7k\]: bm7 ? ei [1d\]: lol :D Nickless [2k\]: ze mingjiu jest dobry babraniu sie w centrum ^^ enigm4 [11k\]: lol enigm4 [11k\]: :D Tyregh [3d\]: i feel as b its hard to handle l7 so i probably tenuki and leave it until later but i am quite weak Nickless [2k\]: ale w sumie to oni graja dame Nickless [2k\]: bo Nickless [2k\]: ani bialy ani czarny tam terenu nie zrobi confused [16k\]: L6 Nickless [2k\]: nawet goniac bialego czarny Nickless [2k\]: nic ciekawego nie osiagnie babal: dtui tjuo jaarg gyttec wpeunh: "We have no room reserved for tomorrow so we'll just blitz the tournament players today, thank you for your patience" ei [1d\]: osiagnie bo zrobi sciane ;) blubb [1d\]: O3 has some nasty aji Nickless [2k\]: ale wlasnie Nickless [2k\]: nie bedzie mial jak jej wykorzystac babal: guay kijge bazsip amosis [2d\]: your graph fuuten is nice!! ei [1d\]: sciana nie tylko sluzy do atakowania aptpupil [15k\]: n4 ei [1d\]: ale tez do uciekania do niej ;) aptpupil [15k\]: i mean n3 hadi [13k\]: n5 aptpupil [15k\]: that would be better. Tyregh [3d\]: stil i think f17 but im so bad waldo [5k\]: aji causes opponent to say Oh gee! hadi [13k\]: ^^ aptpupil [15k\]: i agree with the 3d even if he thinks he sucks abbadan [-\]: yes, tenuki is good idea TooStrong: q10 TooStrong: f17 ei [1d\]: no ktos powiedzial cos ciekawego ;) TooStrong: f16 Faded [4k\]: well if w loses this local fight things would be hard for him Nickless [2k\]: co ? ze tenuki ? blubb [1d\]: where are they playing? fiveten [9k\]: times ? WVoron [4d\]: f17 kukulis4 [2d\]: k8 looks natural yithril [-\]: top seems huge gepay [2k\]: l7 is a tesuji to wnable w to escape loose net bizet [7k\]: if u dont know what is tenuki then u r tanuki hadi [13k\]: k8 its not good idea ] ;B[kn]C[manzoku: They want shimari before extending? :) aptpupil [15k\]: i must be a moron Nickless [2k\]: gdzie teraz : > aptpupil [15k\]: because out of all the moves... i didn't see that one ei [1d\]: no i teren coraz bardziej przypomina grupa czarnego ;) confused [16k\]: no I'm just confused TooStrong: yes weaker than 9p = moron Faded [4k\]: 15k not exactly herculean strength don't be so hard on yourself waldo [5k\]: they stopped playing so quickly ] ;W[kl]C[ei [1d\]: bambus ;) blubb [1d\]: aptpupil, there are at most 361 moves, just consider them one by one ;) TooStrong: r17 TooStrong: f17 Murugandi [3d\]: lol white didnt stop playing quickly TooStrong: i mean aptpupil [15k\]: is that the secret to dan playing? Nickless [2k\]: sam jestes bambus : p aptpupil [15k\]: 361 moves ? that's it? blubb [1d\]: hehe, I'm not sure about that Nickless [2k\]: to sie da przeciac waldo [5k\]: maybe white should have Nickless [2k\]: a bambo nie ; \] blu62 [7k\]: there is still a huge difference btw dan and pro dan ei [1d\]: ale tu chodzi o leeki ksztalt ;) Nickless [2k\]: dobra dobra confused [16k\]: dog play K9 manzoku: N5 Nickless [2k\]: jestes tylko troche lepszy odemnie ^^ WVoron [4d\]: k8 Nickless [2k\]: chyba ze sandbagujesz: p ChemBoy613 [6k\]: K8 looks like only move ei [1d\]: ja mam tu wsumie 1-2k a 1d samo wskoczylo ;) blubb [1d\]: I don't seem to know the secret of dan play anyway, as I'm straightly heading 1k Funandgo42 [1d\]: Now can tenuki...could nto before Funandgo42 [1d\]: not know which cut point is best... gepay [2k\]: the difference between b j10 and w j10... blubb [1d\]: ... is huge ] ;B[nn]C[ganuong [4d\]: too slow TooStrong: yes hadi [13k\]: black L10 ??? Funandgo42 [1d\]: F16... like that? TooStrong: this bad move manzoku: I guess my N5 was too cautious too ei [1d\]: wkoncu ktos to zagral NspctrGdgt [5k\]: seems to me things are difficult for white? blubb [1d\]: this fixes the problems with O3, I believe Violence [?\]: Black stopped the attack to take profit Funandgo42 [1d\]: still chasing... hmmm... guess that is why they are pro... Violence [?\]: I don't think this is very active... ganuong [4d\]: o6 so important waldo [5k\]: black continues attack with N10 nihongo [6k\]: noir est en avance là, non? blubb [1d\]: L8 still has to run, but the N3 area got much more stable suddenly apollyon [23k\]: w l10? ] ;W[rr]C[TooStrong: OMF TooStrong: OMG blubb [1d\]: O6 is thick manzoku: I thought extend but a corner eh nihongo [6k\]: R11 Faded [4k\]: funny to hear so many people say a 9p and 7p thinking is flawed, can't these two dance circles around any of us on a goban? Koukkaaja [2d\]: I thought go players don't play for cash waldo [5k\]: now K8 ChemBoy613 [6k\]: we'd die in a minute ChemBoy613 [6k\]: a pro? aptpupil [15k\]: i play for cash. dime a point TheYaou [7k\]: some do ChemBoy613 [6k\]: man I'd die :) kukulis4 [2d\]: time for f17 gepay [2k\]: whad to make 3 moves because of k7 ] ;B[kj]C[ChemBoy613 [6k\]: i love black's spirit ] ;W[ml]C[apollyon [23k\]: b n8 next farrago [10k\]: saki paeht āwāē wese Nickless [2k\]: uu fajny ruch czarnego blubb [1d\]: right, Faded NspctrGdgt [5k\]: faded, it's not as fun watching if you can't analyze the game :) TooStrong: n10 Hakuteiken [3k\]: wow babal: why S2 t_T Hakuteiken [3k\]: what happened in this game? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: craziness hadi [13k\]: ^^ TheYaou [7k\]: um? aokun [2k\]: in fact, there is an educational benefit to try to formulate and express an opinion about a game aokun [2k\]: and then finding out how wrong you are sometims waldo [5k\]: formulate? TheYaou [7k\]: k8? manzoku: Hakuteiken it started with a double pincer apollyon [23k\]: b n9 ] ;B[om]C[TooStrong: k8 bad Hakuteiken [3k\]: wow... creepy senol [5k\]: don't work apollyon [23k\]: w p9? hadi [13k\]: p9 ChemBoy613 [6k\]: "a kemia is like a pair of scisors, if you run with one you'll get cut" yithril [-\]: this is a nice move ] ;W[ol]C[dog [1k\]: w problem is to settle the dragon as soon as possible, Funandgo42 [1d\]: This all started with touching stone of K2.. asking white if he could handle a ko... is amazing.. hadi [13k\]: wow dog [1k\]: w is losing with every move that b capts around n10 Snakeman [8k\]: white still leading ? mof [1d\]: leading? blubb [1d\]: Faded, your comment reminds me of tartrate, who expected dan players to comment on his games (as far as they could), so weaker players would profit as well ChemBoy613 [6k\]: hane is powerful but gote ChemBoy613 [6k\]: looks like nobi gote as well dog [1k\]: w is behind a lot, i would say TooStrong: no dog [1k\]: n10 ChemBoy613 [6k\]: N10 too think? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: no no ChemBoy613 [6k\]: lol ChemBoy613 [6k\]: my bad Iink [-\]: I would say the game is only in the begnning to say who is winning (once they do things we never expect) TooStrong: escaper? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: well K2na [7k\]: nice black center gepay [2k\]: I like the 4 b stones on the 10 line and only a w stone on hoshi ChemBoy613 [6k\]: sente from this fight is huge ] ;B[pl]C[ChemBoy613 [6k\]: F17 is just gigantic Intake [2d\]: faded's comment deals with pretty much every player. when one of my tournament games was broadcasted on kgs, a 10k was critisizing my play pretty harshly :P apollyon [23k\]: w will r8 next? ] ;W[ok] ;B[pr]C[blubb [1d\]: I guess, for the best transfer of knowledge, there should be a cascade of comment levels, with each of us can contributing his or her ideas to the weaker ones clemensDO [6k\]: Q2 surprising blubb [1d\]: -can Hakuteiken [3k\]: what was this? Snakeman [8k\]: wow, yose already ] ;W[pm]C[ChemBoy613 [6k\]: F17 gigantic? blubb [1d\]: nah, this isn't yose, although it looks like it ] ;B[fc]C[ChemBoy613 [6k\]: there we go dog [1k\]: it was a solid move, to make b 100% alive before attacking w ] ;W[df]C[yithril [-\]: black is doing well Hakuteiken [3k\]: that grous should have some powerful weakness ChemBoy613 [6k\]: F15 looks like proper direction TheOne [8d\]: i prefer w cassidy [13k?\]: how much time they still have? aokun [2k\]: most grouse I've seen have lots of weaknesses aokun [2k\]: tasty though Hakuteiken [3k\]: why D14 and not C14? Nickless [2k\]: TheOne, you arent the one this tme ; \] Nickless [2k\]: time* xiping [3k\]: K16 ? USGO1 [-\]: both players have about 30 minutes each TheOne [8d\]: excuse me? TheOne [8d\]: how dare you question me ] ;B[id]C[Hakuteiken [3k\]: lol xiping [3k\]: almost dog [1k\]: theone owns this chat ] ;W[nc]C[clemensDO [6k\]: TheOne, could you explain a bit? gepay [2k\]: so he should say more ChemBoy613 [6k\]: M17 looks so natural Hobbesian [1k\]: are these players going to be in the Oza next month too? Nickless [2k\]: erm i just said that i like white to.. blubb [1d\]: for some reason, the "p" is turned around behind your name, TheOne ;) Hakuteiken [3k\]: M17 is bad shape, I guess ] ;B[oc] ;W[nd] ;B[pf]C[NaGsen [12k?\]: 30min each it's very fast :/ ChemBoy613 [6k\]: no no black just feels more violent ] ;W[kc] ;B[jc]C[Violence [?\]: Then why do I like white? ] ;W[kd]C[TheOne [8d\]: w's position is superior TooStrong: [9p\]: black doesnt hat much territoy yet ei [1d\]: cause u like his lessons :P waldo [5k\]: b's position is erie K2na [7k\]: as he has more points ? CBlue [1d?\]: because b's shape is bad? bouboubou [2d?\]: strange game for pros Funandgo42 [1d\]: Nice.. Black using agi of threat of stone around Q11 .. nice joseki choice TheOne [8d\]: rofl ] ;B[nf]C[blubb [1d\]: I suppose both are pretty good teachers Hobbesian [1k\]: I thought b was from New Jersey, not Pennsylvania ] ;W[jf]C[svgo [4k\]: does white have time to fix the q8 weakness? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: where is white running to? blubb [1d\]: this w doesn't feel very comfortable, does it barakeel [4k\]: attacking black barakeel [4k\]: maybe blubb [1d\]: yeah, trying to TheOne [8d\]: the center black stones are not very useful, and have many weaknesses blubb [1d\]: but b has D18 CBlue [1d?\]: m14 or h14? any good? TheOne [8d\]: therefore, w leads WVoron [4d\]: yes ChemBoy613 [6k\]: it's not an attack ChemBoy613 [6k\]: black can just slide anytime WVoron [4d\]: but needq9 or q12 barakeel [4k\]: h17 is a weak point manzoku: White will prolly take q12 clemensDO [6k\]: f15? K2na [7k\]: couldn't black make better use of his center before playing f17 ? manzoku: ...later on Hobbesian [1k\]: white's position seems cramped on top ] ;B[ie]C[Hobbesian [1k\]: if so it's because black made some use of center stones, no? blubb [1d\]: isn't something like black J12 sente against the K8 cut? cassidy [13k?\]: glupie pytanie - czemu komi jest calkowite? ] ;W[lf]C[Nickless [2k\]: no bo w zasadach nowozelandzkich tak jest ei [1d\]: ing bodajze Hobbesian [1k\]: move on right seems huge ... ] ;B[kg]C[Nickless [2k\]: noo ing i nowozelandzkie to to samo ; \] insane6 [2d?\]: K8 no work for the moment Hobbesian [1k\]: R11 for black? Nickless [2k\]: a ze to jest wlasnie turniej inga no to wlasnie te zasady obowiazuje elfman [12k?\]: clock? TooStrong: b gonna kill oh yeeah Nickless [2k\]: a calkowite bo nikomu nie przeszkadza jigo ^^ cassidy [13k?\]: chyba jedna wole te polowki ] ;W[ji]C[dog [1k\]: this reminds me of mingjiu's low voice laugh during lessons, when students offer all kinds of wrong moves blubb [1d\]: insane6, I meant b has sente there because of K8 sixin1999 [5k?\]: 有没有会说中国话的..这里的英语看求不懂 blubb [1d\]: huh?! NeoNemesis [-\]: 沒有 ei [1d\]: cuz wazne ze komi jest ;) Riwand [4k\]: k11 looks bad to me?! ] ;B[jj]C[ChemBoy613 [6k\]: isn't this peep gote? blubb [1d\]: I think so ChemBoy613 [6k\]: k11 looks awful? sixin1999 [5k?\]: 看样子这个两个人有点牛哦 DrumsMan [2d\]: next black k8 dog [1k\]: yes gote, but also settles w for good yithril [-\]: whites gotta fix TheOne [8d\]: k11 is a very, very strange move TooStrong: k11 made k8 work lol ] ;W[jn] ;B[kf]C[Violence [?\]: Misread? TooStrong: k11 losing mve plinkzz [-\]: misclick MatchFree [-\]: USGO1 how does white reacte now? TooStrong: resign time CSNnY [3k\]: lol Hobbesian [1k\]: too soon with these players Shunsui [4d?\]: k8 was starting to work anyway with the split attack abbadan [-\]: k15 ] ;W[je]C[Shunsui [4d?\]: w just did forcing move and defend Hobbesian [1k\]: too much unresolved ] ;B[le]C[MatchFree [-\]: i think its almost impossible for white 2 be killed here TooStrong: maybe k11 was meant to be k12 but misclick blubb [1d\]: which split attack are you referring to, Shunsui? Korlon [2k\]: Misclick? Hobbesian [1k\]: players are not playing on kgs CBlue [1d?\]: J14? dog [1k\]: what click Hobbesian [1k\]: they are on board Violence [?\]: they are TheOne [8d\]: no they are not TheOne [8d\]: rofl Violence [?\]: playing on KGs rakiurasky [12k?\]: a REAL goban? eclaireur [1k\]: lol Nickless [2k\]: not now Violence [?\]: No, they're playing on KGS riht now. Nickless [2k\]: as you see its demo nihongo [6k\]: L15 Hobbesian [1k\]: recorder is recording onkgs Korlon [2k\]: Ah, yeah looks like they're playing on KGS Violence [?\]: Look at Mingjiu's profile TheOne [8d\]: they are actually playing on top of mount everest Shunsui [4d?\]: between the 2 groups obv Violence [?\]: look at Dafei's profile. insane6 [2d?\]: @ theone - still w ahead - what you think ? sixin1999 [5k?\]: 走的虚`~ Cyanure [5k\]: it's R Hobbesian [1k\]: so K11 not a misclick, even by recorder dog [1k\]: w is unsettled again ChemBoy613 [6k\]: dafei is feng yun? Violence [?\]: yes. blubb [1d\]: well Shunsui, guess why I ask - there are several TooStrong: stop trolling hobbesian asap [6k\]: apperently chem TheOne [8d\]: once this group settles w takes this game by 3 pts insane6 [2d?\]: hehe TheOne [8d\]: but i hope that doesnt happen Violence [?\]: dafei played against somerville for the east coast rep. That was Feng Yun vs Yang Huiren. Hobbesian [1k\]: trolling? Tyregh [3d\]: u dont like mingjiu? NeoNemesis [-\]: maybe black will miraculously kill the R3 group TheOne [8d\]: did i say that? TheOne [8d\]: how dare you put words in my mouth blubb [1d\]: your idea sounds convincing, I just don't see which split you mean that could make K8 work confused [16k\]: K13? Tyregh [3d\]: lol sixin1999 [5k?\]: ~!@#$%^&*()_+| manzoku: Yeah how dare you put words in his mouth filled with ? amosis [2d\]: h17 ?? Hobbesian [1k\]: Is there an attack possible on K17group? Shunsui [4d?\]: first envision that black gets k8, then white is cut and there are 2 groups insane6 [2d?\]: M15 is like a unfriendly visitor ... blubb [1d\]: huh, but K8 didn't work before w K11 Shunsui [4d?\]: so u say TooStrong: k11 was clear misclick K2na [7k\]: i just realised that mingjiu jiang was logged in kgs too TheOne [8d\]: ZOMG TooStrong: the game is played in kgs idiots ] ;W[jg]C[davou [4k\]: watch your language toostrong. bouboubou [2d?\]: lol insane6 [2d?\]: any move arround the area could have activated K8 MatchFree [-\]: too strong language dog [1k\]: toostrong, maybe you would like to go elsewhere Lessdrunk [-\]: but i am gepay [2k\]: once w couldn't capture eityer j 10 or l 10 is what Shunsui was talking about Blubb blubb [1d\]: so you are suggesting K8 worked anyway? abbadan [-\]: yes insane6 [2d?\]: so if he had to play there anyway why not K11 before Nickless [2k\]: why are they playing private game ? TheOne [8d\]: Tyregh, please proceed to be boiled in oil and sulfur Hobbesian [1k\]: white looks like he is building strength to attack K17 group dog [1k\]: mingjiu is logged on here, to peek at SE Tyregh [3d\]: o_o Lessdrunk [-\]: lol K2na [7k\]: hehe Sandmann [3d\]: hohoho amadis [4k\]: they are playing private game so they don't have to be bothered by all this nonsense blubb [1d\]: I see, this makes sense ] ;B[ee]C[TooStrong: how would this bother them? TooStrong: they cant see it CBlue [1d?\]: migjiu "wth system cant compute atm" Jenghis [2k\]: they wouldn't see it anyway amadis elfman [12k?\]: they couldnt read anyway... elfman [12k?\]: they could just see stupid names on the right side :) narutonogo [2k\]: *still annoyed we have to watch a relay* blubb [1d\]: so K11 was sort of reverse sente, preventing b from getting a more effective move than K10 TheOne [8d\]: b realizes that she must kill this group abbadan [-\]: 334 stupid names svgo [4k\]: naruto, ask for your money back Violence [?\]: XD Sandmann [3d\]: oh my goodness...i feel this heavy karma...they want to kill each other... Shunsui [4d?\]: it was just kikashi amadis [4k\]: maybe they don't even want to be aware after the games of all the dumb things people said about them ] ;W[de]C[TheOne [8d\]: this is kikashi? Almdudler [2d\]: Lol sandy TheOne [8d\]: rofl dog [1k\]: kick-asshi WVoron [4d\]: stupid is you elfman [12k?\]: the question is... who is watching their game davou [4k\]: is gripping the m14 stone important? Sandmann [3d\]: hehe nice dog insane6 [2d?\]: "a pro realizes" is really funny tianren122 [-\]: is this a live game davou [4k\]: l15 k16 k18 ? TheOne [8d\]: its not funny TheOne [8d\]: its reality blubb [1d\]: the "being kikashi" part was obvious to me, unlike the use of it insane6 [2d?\]: lol TheOne [8d\]: now please, join Tyregh in the line to be boiled in oil and sulfur insane6 [2d?\]: <- rolling on the floor WVoron [4d\]: she? Almdudler [2d\]: she. narutonogo [2k\]: elfman: a random observer who transcribes the moves to pieces of paper, then they are telegraphed to the opposite coast and emailed to USGO who checks his mailbox every few minutes - judging by the constant lag of this game after the private one thegoudboy [13k?\]: C'est qui qui a gagner la premiere ? tianren122 [-\]: is this a live game ] ;B[ki]C[NaGsen [12k?\]: c'est kiki TheOne [8d\]: it is actually being broadcasted from saturn's largest moon blubb [1d\]: hm, this E15 pays quite high a price Tyregh [3d\]: i boiled my candy cane instead manzoku: White's power level is over 9000! elfman [12k?\]: so it must be a shining card narutonogo [2k\]: but black's ELO would overflow 16-bit integer abbadan [-\]: The One! Last time it was Mount Everest! aditsu [3k?\]: 9kw? svgo [4k\]: white's power knob goes all the way up to 11 tianren122 [-\]: gw elfman [12k?\]: w&b are noobs :P :=) Hobbesian [1k\]: ok, now I'm confused ... so this is being played twice on KGS? once in a P game and again via USGO1 demo? Violence [?\]: Yes. Tyregh [3d\]: its confusing isnt it ChemBoy613 [6k\]: i was wondering the same thing TooStrong: loll hobbesian ChemBoy613 [6k\]: why not just one game? insane6 [2d?\]: one smile of Feng Yun and w is lost TheOne [8d\]: they travel at light speed Hobbesian [1k\]: cause of us, probly abbadan [-\]: I see. ] ;W[gg]C[abbadan [-\]: Thx narutonogo [2k\]: chemboy: so that everyone's life is made harder, apparently elfman [12k?\]: no wonder, pros are freaks :P thats just to act coolish... and make you wonder why TheOne [8d\]: they are actually not playing any games at all - i believe it is Chuck Norris who is messing with our minds Lessdrunk [-\]: ol Lessdrunk [-\]: l Macaauceni [13k\]: omg... narutonogo [2k\]: so who's ahead TooStrong: chuck is such a trickster elfman [12k?\]: ask chuck norris ;) Hakuteiken [3k\]: Chuck Norris is ahead Hakuteiken [3k\]: of course tianren122 [-\]: feng yun=da fei Hobbesian [1k\]: Chuck Norris isn't ahead... Javaness [-\]: no talk of chuck norris please Lessdrunk [-\]: ? Prodigious [4d\]: Chuck's a bannable offense Sandmann [3d\]: dafei=ogeima? blu62 [7k\]: right CSNnY [3k\]: chuck norris isnt playing go, chuck norris is the go apollyon [23k\]: feng yun = da fei duck? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: slide ChemBoy613 [6k\]: slide into the corner gepay [2k\]: who gets first move on right side? dog [1k\]: this is a clone for goodness sake, Javaness, ease up please Sandmann [3d\]: well done, o great squirrle rakiurasky [12k?\]: i see an "Octagon" shape TheOne [8d\]: b gets the first move on the right side blu62 [7k\]: chuck norris is the worst actor ever Hobbesian [1k\]: Javaness, was that admin ruling or personal taste thing? Almdudler [2d\]: chuck norris is sooo cool nihongo [6k\]: combien de temps reste t'il au joueurs TooStrong: blu62 i hope chuck didnt hear that blu62 [7k\]: almdudeli go home amosis [2d\]: 22mn pour noir et 34 pour blanc Almdudler [2d\]: I am at hope, mr blu Almdudler [2d\]: *home amadis [4k\]: what does dafei mean? TheOne [8d\]: almdudler, please join the line to be boiled in oil and sulfur Sandmann [3d\]: dafei=chinese for ogeima? blubb [1d\]: oogeiman, amadis blu62 [7k\]: yes insane6 [2d?\]: B D12 blu62 [7k\]: lol yithril [-\]: how man are in line? Faded [4k\]: I think steven segul was the worst actor ever yithril [-\]: *many TooStrong: what is ogeima? TheOne [8d\]: 3 Almdudler [2d\]: huh fabno [4d\]: gran keima ChemBoy613 [6k\]: just manzoku: ogeima is ookeima ChemBoy613 [6k\]: D18 yithril [-\]: and where did you get that giant iron cauldron theone? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: simple Leitbur [11k\]: large knight move TooStrong: and what is ookeima? TooStrong: ok Sandmann [3d\]: ookeima is ogeima TooStrong: xD insane6 [2d?\]: first threat to cut and than R10 Almdudler [2d\]: are you sure sandmann? USGO1 [-\]: 25 min left for white, 15 min for black Sandmann [3d\]: cant b actually cut? like f13? Hakuteiken [3k\]: D14 G13 is ogeima :O insane6 [2d?\]: very simple manzoku: It's not written like おげいま CSNnY [3k\]: f14 waldo [5k\]: either it's lunch break or black is taking a long time on this move amosis [2d\]: d10 is weak now no? Hobbesian [1k\]: black needs to settle top group insane6 [2d?\]: before a little smile ... blubb [1d\]: possibly both, waldo Hobbesian [1k\]: or be sure it's safe TheOne [8d\]: ok i must leave now Hobbesian [1k\]: ciao Lessdrunk [-\]: oke TheOne [8d\]: feng yun will win TheOne [8d\]: somehow Lessdrunk [-\]: thx NeoNemesis [-\]: lol blubb [1d\]: but she is black Almdudler [2d\]: haha insane6 [2d?\]: don´t get TWO Almdudler [2d\]: are you pro? :p abbadan [-\]: e12 or r12 or d18 ChemBoy613 [6k\]: black is powerful TheOne [8d\]: i know shes black blubb [1d\]: didn't you favor white a while ago, TheOne? amosis [2d\]: d10 is weak now no? Hobbesian [1k\]: no Almdudler [2d\]: theone what is your official rating, if I may ask? rakiurasky [12k?\]: TheOne is sgone Hakuteiken [3k\]: he left already Hakuteiken [3k\]: =o Sandmann [3d\]: apparently 8d Almdudler [2d\]: aga 8d? :o blubb [1d\]: yep, he's just made sure his statements are contradictuous enough to fit any outcome :) abbadan [-\]: better amadis [4k\]: yes aga 8d elfman [12k?\]: thats exactly what ppl do all day long on kgs... confused [16k\]: H12? Almdudler [2d\]: did he study go as insei? TooStrong: no TooStrong: what is b thinking abbadan [-\]: e12 fabno [4d\]: what is the prize for the winner? apollyon [23k\]: why? what are you thinking? ] ;B[fg]C[rakiurasky [12k?\]: b moves! TooStrong: food Sandmann [3d\]: yay, as i predicted narutonogo [2k\]: eternal glory fabno [4d\]: useless... no money? apollyon [23k\]: ahhhh..stomache first...like your style blubb [1d\]: the winner may participate in the World Ing Cup, fabno Chuky [1d\]: play ing world cup Shunsui [4d?\]: its a qualifying match fabno [4d\]: ing world cup priz is money? Chuky [1d\]: big money in ing though fabno [4d\]: oh, good gepay [2k\]: how much can he give o the top left can he kill top center w when to mak e move on right dog [1k\]: b wants to keep w on toes, to force w play like p18 which helps b become solid TooStrong: but both players are too weak to win it narutonogo [2k\]: actually isn't there more money in World Ing Cup than in Kisei? elfman [12k?\]: i'll get an old (expensive) goban for free next week... the problem is to bring it back to france Chuky [1d\]: ya, ing biggest i think KVschool [9d?\]: get money even if lose in 1st round fabno [4d\]: good! ChemBoy613 [6k\]: shipping it will probably be cheaper than buying one narutonogo [2k\]: The winner's purse is the biggest in the world, giving almost $500,000 to the winner. elfman [12k?\]: maybe a soul is haunting it ixibutzi [2k\]: play wsop and you will be even richer Prodigious [4d\]: Poker is no fun though ChemBoy613 [6k\]: poker always feels like work Sandmann [3d\]: if you win, its hell fun yithril [-\]: man feng yun is gonna be rich elfman [12k?\]: i play pker too Chuky [1d\]: not ing cup yithril elfman [12k?\]: poker*(pker only in mmorpg :p) WVoron [4d\]: ) gepay [2k\]: these days you need to be worth 10 million to be rich Crumb [17k\]: What US tournament? fabno [4d\]: 500,000 is damn good gepay [2k\]: for go TooStrong: there will be worlds best players playing elfman [12k?\]: 1k is good too when u got som probs :) blubb [1d\]: strange, you just said something and are greyed out in the list nevertheless, gepay fabno [4d\]: have to beat chang ho? Taru [7k\]: how much get the last place? Crumb [17k\]: What US tournament is this? Crumb [17k\]: Oohhhh Korlon [2k\]: Look at the top USGO1 [-\]: this is the US qualifier for the 6th World Ing Cup Crumb [17k\]: Its on the top :-P Lessdrunk [-\]: lol Durgrim [5k\]: When does the 6th World Ing Cup takes place ? Crumb [17k\]: I didnt see any american names BadMove [-\]: 7p is so weak elfman [12k?\]: lol oren [6k?\]: Crumb, Mingjiu Jiang and Feng Yun are American names narutonogo [2k\]: how are the participants of world ing cup decided? is it similar as WAGC, one player per country? or something else? Sandmann [3d\]: especially if younger brother is 9p Viheton [1k\]: yeah Badmove you can easely beat him abbadan [-\]: I would like to be so weak :)) blubb [1d\]: winning half a million might enable the winner to spend the rest of the life teaching go for free tetris [-\]: er, oren, you think these players are american, eh? oren [6k?\]: Tetris, they have immigrated Crumb [17k\]: I think they moved to america from what I know abbadan [-\]: No, blubb, half million suffices only for 3 years... Crumb [17k\]: I want to see like... some bobs and Joes Starstreak [1d\]: well i know Feng Yun lives in America ;) gepay [2k\]: I f they are US citizens then they are American Viheton [1k\]: Blubb: half million is less than 25 years avarage salery blubb [1d\]: lol, abbadan TooStrong: 3 years? tetris [-\]: and therefore feng yun is an american name? ChemBoy613 [6k\]: there are lots of asian americans crumb :) I know so many :D elfman [12k?\]: if they go to china they wont need that much money to feed themselves... kukii: are there other active games on this tournament? abbadan [-\]: 3. At most. TooStrong: no Crumb [17k\]: Sorry, I live out in the woods. blubb [1d\]: interests should suffice, so you don't need to use it up at all Crumb [17k\]: Far far far out in the woods sweety [-\]: Keep the comments about the game, thanks. BadMove [-\]: w in trouble N rakiurasky [12k?\]: game not really happening (at the moment) NeoNemesis [-\]: how much time does each player have remaining? Vash3G [2d?\]: oh no, another mingjiu and feng yun game? Vash3G [2d?\]: this is gonna be dangerous Crumb [17k\]: I know, these two are always at it yithril [-\]: this time, shell kill him elfman [12k?\]: why dont they play on real board if thats so important? codemonkey [3k\]: I'm in danger of not getting any work done ] ;W[ge]C[manzoku: They are playing on a real board blubb [1d\]: tough yithril [-\]: this is being relayed elfman Violence [?\]: When they play on a real board, it explodes. rakiurasky [12k?\]: playing on real huge board, with some human stones in white suits, some wearing blk suits elfman [12k?\]: twice on kgs.. with their axx on? USGO1 [-\]: white has 16 min and black 10 NeoNemesis [-\]: k thx manzoku: Dear heavens if they'd have to be stuck with this chat :D ] ;B[fe]C[Violence [?\]: The last time they played, they had to play in a private room Violence [?\]: this was for the safety of others Crumb [17k\]: They plat so well, your eye balls explode Crumb [17k\]: play* ixibutzi [2k\]: h14 Sandmann [3d\]: too...powerful...chakra...why do i have the idea that they want to kill each other... Violence [?\]: Every stone they play has 30 MBq of radioactivity. kukii: h17? muhakkik [2d\]: b clearly ahead imo elfman [12k?\]: stop watching naruto Violence [?\]: people have died from the radiation poisoning. Crumb [17k\]: No, H14 Javaness [-\]: i keep expecting D18 Violence [?\]: The relayer and photographer had to wear lead suits. liusasori [5k\]: Cassis, Va voir dans la causette... kukulis4 [2d\]: R12 looks the bigest point Sandmann [3d\]: d18 is off topic, great squirrel liusasori [5k\]: Cassis, Va voir dans la causette... elfman [12k?\]: well they both got their account on, with a private game on, so, tell me why..? Lessdrunk [-\]: ? ] ;W[hc]C[kukii: hahaha blubb [1d\]: woah svgo [4k\]: ooh aah liusasori [5k\]: Cassis, Va voir dans la causette... kukii: i sad Crumb [17k\]: Awww, I was wronge kukii: ok to me is easy i am pro gepay [2k\]: w does not rollover and choke like me liusasori [5k\]: Cassis, Va voir dans la causette... liusasori [5k\]: Cassis, Va voir dans la causette... pwaldron [-\]: E17? Mike89 [2k\]: if they are citizens then they are american muhakkik [2d\]: arent we all american? elfman [12k?\]: liusasori tais toi rakiurasky [12k?\]: yuck MTakato [1k\]: no Lessdrunk [-\]: no! elfman [12k?\]: no im not and will never be fabno [4d\]: thanks god no gepay [2k\]: fortunately not elfman [12k?\]: even if they conquer the world :) milla [1k\]: lol Crumb [17k\]: Its possible to kill k 15, 16, k17? liusasori [5k\]: déso elfman liusasori [5k\]: j'essaie de contacter un ami liusasori [5k\]: qui a coupé le son de son ordi ^^ RyanRyan [1d\]: the more i look at this move the less crazy it seems ] ;B[gd]C[elfman [12k?\]: bah pas ici =) lolmdr [4k\]: on avait compris mais tu nous saoules liusasori [5k\]: lolmdr elfman [12k?\]: ya 30 messages a la secondes, il lira pas rubik [5d?\]: you sure have a poor opinion of american :) kukii: it's all about sente. if w get sente by making herself safe on top, w can come back in this game liusasori [5k\]: bah au moins ] ;W[gf]C[liusasori [5k\]: vous m'avez lu elfman [12k?\]: parce qu'on est pas afk ChemBoy613 [6k\]: D13 liusasori [5k\]: ? liusasori [5k\]: afk? evave [9k\]: how come mingjiu is online on kgs? blubb [1d\]: I believe that E15 was meant to help b killing L16 - this seems to have failed painfully waldo [5k\]: 10 minutes from now, at least one player will be in byo yomi ChemBoy613 [6k\]: they are playing on kgs Crumb [17k\]: black H16? fabno [4d\]: americans have bad image to the rest of the world, thou it could be wrong kukii: it must h16 gepay [2k\]: it 's deserved unfortunately rakiurasky [12k?\]: mais oui NeoNemesis [-\]: 妙手空空好 aditsu [3k?\]: some americans don't know there is a "rest of the world" rakiurasky [12k?\]: oui ] ;B[hd]C[rubik [5d?\]: don't be ridiculous kukii: YES Crumb [17k\]: Jim Kramer refers to "rest of world" as Row :-P rubik [5d?\]: of course we do nihongo [6k\]: le groupe blanc L16 est il vivant ? Viheton [1k\]: adn only 40% of americans know's where america is on world map kukii: ang now k18 ... and w has sente fabno [4d\]: lol NDAkira [9k\]: it's a sad world... amadis [4k\]: what do you say, maybe some america-baiting might help the game analysis Iink [-\]: k18 ? elfman [12k?\]: tu le sauras en temps voulu Crumb [17k\]: Called blacks move ^^ ] ;W[ff]C[fabno [4d\]: this is an generalization NDAkira [9k\]: education isn't worth what it once was... fabno [4d\]: a* rubik [5d?\]: how was these statistics rubik [5d?\]: calculated Ithmatic [3k?\]: wowow Ithmatic [3k?\]: what a move rubik [5d?\]: were* elfman [12k?\]: go on youtube rubik elfman [12k?\]: and you'll find out amadis [4k\]: my question is, is anybody in the room with teh players making sure they don't have help? Crumb [17k\]: YouTube is not a credible source Xanthus [-\]: lol, youtube is the worst source of information ever rubik [5d?\]: yes i have seen some videos already :) BadMove [-\]: reminds me of tetris TooStrong: everything in youtube is true Prodigious [4d\]: Amadis, I think we can trust pro players ] ;B[ef]C[liusasori [5k\]: ??????? keplen [?\]: nihongo peut-etre s'il peut connecter ces groupe a d14 ] ;W[eg]C[Ithmatic [3k?\]: amadis: they could be making out in there for all we know Crumb [17k\]: Try Proquest ] ;B[fh]C[TooStrong: youtube aadmins let only facts be posted there elfman [12k?\]: then watch two girls and a cup rubik [5d?\]: how come we never do these kinds of things in other countries elfman [12k?\]: :) liusasori [5k\]: e17 kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah Javaness [-\]: amadis: do you think the pros are sitting their asking their friends on their mobiles where to move ] ;W[ec]C[rubik [5d?\]: we only hear about american stupidity liusasori [5k\]: e17 now ] ;B[fd]C[amadis [4k\]: well if i were them, and half a million $ was at stake, i would't want to trust the opponent Durgrim [5k\]: L15 ? elfman [12k?\]: cuz it musta bin proved by now xD Crumb [17k\]: I am offended, I am american and I am not stupid fabno [4d\]: lol amadis kukulis4 [2d\]: k18 rubik [5d?\]: eveybody else is assumed to be smart rubik [5d?\]: ? waldo [6k\]: he kept her out of the corner amadis [4k\]: they could have 3 other pros working out variations for them fabno [4d\]: no rubik davou [4k\]: d12 ? liusasori [5k\]: k18 ? blubb [1d\]: someone else is in the room, obviously - otherwise we couldn't watch the game ] ;W[eh]C[fabno [4d\]: that is a generalization fabno [4d\]: a fallacy davou [4k\]: nvm, e12 rubik [5d?\]: yeah ] ;B[gh]C[fabno [4d\]: but it is the american image TooStrong: the 500 000 is prize in the world ing cup. this is only qualifier rubik [5d?\]: but i am fed up of prejudices on amerricans fabno [4d\]: to the rest of the world amadis [4k\]: not true blubb, we've established they are playing on kgs rubik [5d?\]: mc donald, fat, stupid... rubik [5d?\]: they are simply not true ! Ithmatic [3k?\]: lol prejudices on americans Crumb [17k\]: Funny part is america rules the world threw dolar deplomacy ] ;W[jb]C[evave [9k\]: k18 doesnt work for w BadMove [-\]: coca cola liusasori [5k\]: yea h Ithmatic [3k?\]: american prejudices >>> prejudices on americans elfman [12k?\]: mcdonalds = fat , its true, i eat there everyday MatchFree [-\]: oke not all amaricans are fat ;) aditsu [3k?\]: well, they voted Bush, what other proof do you need :p BadMove [-\]: disney Tyregh [3d\]: this conversation is pointless gkhjhg: all american are not stupid ;/ liusasori [5k\]: h13 !! keplen [?\]: actually they dont ] ;B[ib]C[liusasori [5k\]: ?? rubik [5d?\]: if you ask someone in france what he thinks of americans, he'll tell you they eat hamburgers TooStrong: and to be honest these players wont hava a chance against world's best players in the ing cup abbadan [-\]: now things start to hAPPEN. keplen [?\]: ask bank of china :-p codemonkey [3k\]: we need some banning up in here... Ithmatic [3k?\]: ho ho ho ] ;W[ic]C[liusasori [5k\]: j17-h18 kukii: l12 ] ;B[jd]C[liusasori [5k\]: ??? dxfcvv: CUT davou [4k\]: ahha! delicious! ] ;W[ke]C[elfman [12k?\]: if you ask someone in france, he'll tell that they stole the eiffel tower to put it in las vegas dxfcvv: WOOHOO! blubb [1d\]: where is their game, amadis? liusasori [5k\]: h13 ] ;B[kb]C[evave [9k\]: lol liusasori [5k\]: Oo rubik [5d?\]: lol ] ;W[kh]C[liusasori [5k\]: oO evave [9k\]: w missed that liusasori [5k\]: Oo liusasori [5k\]: oO ] ;B[lg]C[RyanRyan [1d\]: w did not miss that ] ;W[lh]C[elfman [12k?\]: liusasori tu saoules grave kukii: ma be global attack on j10 group ] ;B[mg]C[bouboubou [2d?\]: impossible to miss this dxfcvv: w is mad sexy ] ;W[lb]C[RyanRyan [1d\]: obviously it was taken into account keplen [?\]: so is tokyo tower copy of eiffel tower? ] ;B[ja]C[rubik [5d?\]: pros are not idiots liusasori [5k\]: bh13and save after... liusasori [5k\]: not global Crumb [17k\]: m16 ] ;W[mh]C[liusasori [5k\]: attatacµ elfman [12k?\]: no liusasori [5k\]: *attac* elfman [12k?\]: tokyo tower is crap davou [4k\]: the internet is a prooduct of american'ism.... Withougt them we wouldnt be able to argue about how bad they are on KGS. insane6 [2d?\]: w escapes keplen [?\]: lol elfman [12k?\]: i see it everyday liusasori [5k\]: but w alive , now rubik [5d?\]: lool elfman [12k?\]: and its still ugly ] ;B[cc]C[Woolf [3k\]: not really Woolf [3k\]: ^^ liusasori [5k\]: h13 kukii: w lost ] ;W[db]C[liusasori [5k\]: for b !! Ithmatic [3k?\]: shut up about america already, go get a room ] ;B[cg]C[svgo [4k\]: cheese eating surrender monkey :) liusasori [5k\]: Oo rubik [5d?\]: the american critics room elfman [12k?\]: lol evave [9k\]: b j12 k12 h13 ? Ithmatic [3k?\]: yeah, whatever you wanna call it aditsu [3k?\]: owatta beikoku :p Crumb [17k\]: Is the fghj 16 group still in trouble? ] ;W[dg] ;B[be]C[keplen [?\]: no liusasori [5k\]: h13 only 8 points now liusasori [5k\]: beaceause groups are alive ] ;W[ch] ;B[bg]C[liusasori [5k\]: if not..;h13 save black davou [4k\]: e10 ? code9: 11points Ithmatic [3k?\]: someone gonna get hurt real bad Elfwood [5k\]: usually, calling someone else dumb means they feel dumb themself... rubik [5d?\]: i think white has got to kill something ] ;W[bd]C[Crumb [17k\]: or powerless to the USA economy liusasori [5k\]: ... yolka [-\]: can you move the discussion ? ] ;B[cd]C[Crumb [17k\]: Sure liusasori [5k\]: ??????? davou [4k\]: RANDOM: websters defines dumb; Lacking the power of speech. Used of animals and inanimate objects blubb [1d\]: uhm ok, now I also have found their game ] ;W[bf]C[liusasori [5k\]: b is dead , no ? kukii: w want e11 for h12 sente. e11 treats to make big left side ] ;B[bc]C[code9: corner live Lessdrunk [-\]: nice blubb kukulis4 [2d\]: we will see blubb [1d\]: thx waldo [6k\]: Feng yun is a tiny little woman but one tough cookie nouziller [4k\]: minsuji yolka [-\]: b alive kukulis4 [2d\]: black gets life in corner ] ;W[ce]C[Chrom [5k\]: i didn´t realise, that here is an forum for politics now ] ;B[ad] ;W[hh]C[fabno [4d\]: politcs are always welcome ] ;B[ei]C[liusasori [5k\]: live in gote Viheton [1k\]: no forum's in kgs :) rubik [5d?\]: lol ] ;W[bh]C[Chrom [5k\]: i thought so! liusasori [5k\]: all kill for b?µ ] ;B[bj]C[rubik [5d?\]: anyway we weren't talking about politics liusasori [5k\]: ? Intake [2d\]: this isn't really politics, its just haters, all they know is hate, hate america, hate this hate that, get lives yithril [-\]: woah Javaness [-\]: focus on the game USGO1 [-\]: black is in byo-yomi now Fukurokuji [2k\]: f18 insane6 [2d?\]: what a fantastic result for b yithril [-\]: thems fighting words liusasori [5k\]: why not try to kill ? ] ;W[fb]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white f18 ] ;B[gb]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: and then B18 davou [4k\]: a13 ?! code9: ko now ] ;W[af]C[liusasori [5k\]: w alive,n no ? ] ;B[fa]C[code9: ko liusasori [5k\]: ko ] ;W[eb]C[lolmdr [4k\]: Never take White against a 9 dan pro ^^ evave [9k\]: b18 ? liusasori [5k\]: ? ] ;B[ae]C[davou [4k\]: d11 ? fabno [4d\]: listen Amerika by Rammstein :P ] ;W[bb]C[liusasori [5k\]: ??? ] ;B[cb]C[liusasori [5k\]: what b doing ? Crumb [17k\]: Whoh... ] ;W[ca]C[Lessdrunk [-\]: speed go kukulis4 [2d\]: ko Ithmatic [3k?\]: ko davou [4k\]: no ko ] ;B[ba]C[Anekdoten [8k\]: Why lolmdr? Taru [7k\]: lovly ] ;W[aa]C[ixibutzi [2k\]: ko davou [4k\]: oh invisible kp Crumb [17k\]: ... yithril [-\]: how is it not ko? bouboubou [2d?\]: ... ] ;B[ab]C[Ithmatic [3k?\]: KO ] ;W[ac]C[MTakato [1k\]: skilled Ithmatic [3k?\]: not invisible kukulis4 [2d\]: it is visible liusasori [5k\]: b is dead Durgrim [5k\]: hehe, ces gens là sont fous ] ;B[nh]C[Sandmann [3d\]: ignoree blubb [1d\]: wow ] ;W[mj]C[bouboubou [2d?\]: no Sandmann [3d\]: oh ] ;B[ab]C[Sandmann [3d\]: :) sekai [2k\]: o_O Crumb [17k\]: OMG MINGJIU YOU ARE AWESOME ] ;W[ck] ;B[cj]C[Durgrim [5k\]: hehe, ces gens là sont fous ] ;W[ac]C[Sandmann [3d\]: sudddenly so fast bouboubou [2d?\]: oui ^^ ] ;B[ii]C[Kamisama [2k\]: stop shouting crumb, thanks liusasori [5k\]: n11 rubik [5d?\]: already said that code9: but w alive too ] ;W[jh] ;B[ab]C[Crumb [17k\]: Sorry, *fanboi* ] ;W[ek]C[blubb [1d\]: it's black who is attacking two large w groups ] ;B[fj] ;W[ac]C[ixibutzi [2k\]: this is game deciding code9: now not^^ ] ;B[ni] ;W[mi] ;B[ab] ;W[di]C[blubb [1d\]: the corner b isn't that big ] ;B[ej] ;W[ac]C[liusasori [5k\]: w alive ] ;B[jk] ;W[jl]C[yithril [-\]: this was really bad for black ] ;B[ab] ;W[gi] ;B[fi] ;W[ac]C[Jenghis [2k\]: d11 made life ] ;B[bl]C[elfman [12k?\]: each move is a game deciding move... ] ;W[bm]C[Nwalma [11k\]: they are so speed ] ;B[ab] ;W[fk]C[Nwalma [11k\]: why? liusasori [5k\]: ignoree? insane6 [2d?\]: alive is not enough for w Violence [?\]: ignore? Kamisama [2k\]: i think they already spend alot of time reading this earlier on code9: y o.f Nwalma [11k\]: ok daladim [2d\]: ignore ? ] ;B[gk]C[blubb [1d\]: exchange? Crumb [17k\]: no evave [9k\]: y ignore? Sandmann [3d\]: oh my god b is not alive either ] ;W[ac]C[yithril [-\]: yeah yithril [-\]: thats why i said this ko is sucky for black liusasori [5k\]: b resig, liusasori [5k\]: resign ] ;B[en]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white cant afford to loose this ko kukulis4 [2d\]: black can liusasori [5k\]: not yet !! TooStrong: ignore Violence [?\]: this ko is a sente ko for white to win? Crumb [17k\]: ignore Epilogue [-\]: haven't read kibbitz this stupid in a long time Epilogue [-\]: do continue daladim [2d\]: w ignore = w dead kukii: ko is sente for black. after taking a19 w must c11 blubb [1d\]: how much time do they have? Ithmatic [3k?\]: the stronger the players in the game, the stupider the kibbitz waldo [6k\]: they are in byo yomi davou [4k\]: Epilogue; pace yourself, you could get a cramp. Astral [3k\]: seki saru411 [7k\]: Epilogue [-\]: haven't read kibbitz this stupid in a long time < View Offline, then umm READ inthecage [2k\]: c1-b1 not enough? NeoNemesis [-\]: both should be in byo yomi? Crumb [17k\]: yes okvonnegut [1k\]: 30 sec byo? code9: corner live USGO1 [-\]: both players are in their last byoyomi period ] ;W[og]C[bouboubou [2d?\]: ^^ Crumb [17k\]: omg -.- kukii: after c1 b1 b has to e2 and so w b5 ] ;B[pg]C[davou [4k\]: how long are each period? Ithmatic [3k?\]: Does the time keeper count down when time gets low each byo yomi? rakiurasky [12k?\]: thx, USGO1, for the info Crumb [17k\]: 30 seconds I think Anekdoten [8k\]: The quality of the game is gonna decrease right now nihongo [6k\]: cela va etre dur pour noir Violence [?\]: feels like it's going to be close ] ;W[rf]C[lololol [2d\]: w +time bouboubou [2d?\]: ouch ] ;B[qe]C[yithril [-\]: nice move Violence [?\]: Wow Violence [?\]: white aimed at P15 yithril [-\]: its a neat shape ;) Kamisama [2k\]: yes, really nice move machego [2k\]: why not T15? ] ;W[pi]C[kukii: what about b m9? ] ;B[qi]C[klayzen [3d\]: is this the first time the two have played since the us open? Mumpitz [2k?\]: why not black T15? ] ;W[se]C[falfan1 [5k\]: feng yun is dafei Violence [?\]: Klayzen, you mean the ING? Violence [?\]: I think so. ] ;B[qm]C[klayzen [3d\]: yes klayzen [3d\]: excuse me, the ing. ] ;W[pn]C[Astral [3k\]: yes why not t15 instead of r15? ] ;B[fs]C[insane6 [2d?\]: now m9 kukii: and now ] ;W[bo]C[Mushishi [6d\]: if black plays T15 instead of R15 white has P15 lolmdr [4k\]: please show me one group really alive ] ;B[rn]C[Intake [2d\]: because of w P15, violence already answered that question ] ;W[ql]C[Crumb [17k\]: From my count, white is ahead ] ;B[rl]C[Lessdrunk [-\]: lol code9: overplay ] ;W[pk]C[daladim [2d\]: no Slynn [9k\]: your count is se? daladim [2d\]: sente great Mumpitz [2k?\]: ah .. ok thanks ] ;B[lm]C[ChemBoy613 [6k\]: wow, 17k can count :O i can't count ] ;W[jp]C[okvonnegut [1k\]: me neither.. Astral [3k\]: thx Mushishi Fukurokuji [2k\]: q12 i would play ] ;B[kp]C[sekai [2k\]: I can't count in a game like this Violence [?\]: K4 is nice yose Crumb [17k\]: Thats the only way I play, the count tells me to be agressive or defensive ] ;W[oh]C[Kamisama [2k\]: everyone can count, but you have 2 camps, the lazy ones and rest ] ;B[of] ;W[rh]C[sekai [2k\]: two, two stones dead sekai [2k\]: ha ha ha ] ;B[qh]C[sekai [2k\]: like that/ sekai [2k\]: ? ] ;W[ng]C[asap [6k\]: nice kukii: o13 ] ;B[mf]C[blubb [1d\]: awesome endgame ] ;W[oi]C[saru411 [7k\]: 17k says the counts tells him to be agressive or defencive -_-' TooStrong: w won ] ;B[ri]C[Taru [7k\]: mingjiu rulez ] ;W[qg]C[Violence [?\]: man ] ;B[qf]C[Violence [?\]: this yose... ] ;W[rg]C[Violence [?\]: Mingjiu seems to be rocking the yose. blubb [1d\]: saru411, the idea is right, I think ] ;B[ph]C[saru411 [7k\]: the idea is right i agree code9: y ] ;W[js]C[Nwalma [11k\]: why they don't use the Byo-time to think yt other move? ] ;B[kr]C[code9: now coming the end ] ;W[oo]C[Nwalma [11k\]: thy play so speed ] ;B[no] ;W[qs]C[code9: must be okvonnegut [1k\]: do they use AGA rules? (i ask because new zealand is set for this demo) davou [4k\]: hooray! ] ;B[np] ;W[qk]C[narutonogo [2k\]: they use ING rules Fukurokuji [2k\]: q17 big okvonnegut [1k\]: ah, ok ] ;B[rk]C[manzoku: AGA ] ;W[la]C[blubb [1d\]: just see the size b's Q13 area was reduced to - this is incredible Violence [?\]: ING rules Violence [?\]: it's the ING qualifier daladim [2d\]: b lost so many points on this side narutonogo [2k\]: at least pwaldron or violence said it at the start ] ;B[ps]C[daladim [2d\]: impressive by w jesuisnul: it is not corrcet!!!!!!!!!! ] ;W[rs]C[Crumb [17k\]: Mingjiu is an awesome player ] ;B[hg] ;W[hf] ;B[ig] ;W[if] ;B[ih]C[inffi [2k\]: m8? Fukurokuji [2k\]: m16 kukulis4 [2d\]: white L19 small ? ] ;W[ks]C[klayzen [3d\]: i'm sorry, i'm not counting white as ahead by that much. jesuisnul: no m çà blubb [1d\]: NZ is closest to ING available here ] ;B[ls]C[Astral [3k\]: m2 KVschool [9d?\]: maybe,but black will keep win ] ;W[ld] ;B[is]C[Violence [?\]: I think white will win by komi margin davou [4k\]: I could beat mingui while fighting off a pair of ninjas...... but since I havent got even one, I will just nevermind the whole mess ] ;W[ll]C[Funkfreed [8k?\]: is there more than one game? davou [4k\]: >.> ] ;B[pj] ;W[oj]C[Belkhor [2k\]: does not l19 kill ? ] ;B[sh] ;W[sf]C[klayzen [3d\]: do you even need to ask? Belkhor [2k\]: oh no ] ;B[md] ;W[mc]C[klayzen [3d\]: if it did, they'd play it xD ] ;B[me] ;W[pc] ;B[od] ;W[ka] ;B[jb]C[davou [4k\]: poor b got so many groups ] ;W[js] ;B[jo] ;W[ip]C[Kamisama [2k\]: white wins by 7 points? Crumb [17k\]: I count white wins by 12 ] ;B[ro]C[Kamisama [2k\]: you count with SE? ] ;W[so]C[saru411 [7k\]: lol pierone1 [4k\]: SE says 13 Funkfreed [8k?\]: SE-1 ;) sekai [2k\]: that would explain some things. ] ;B[sn] ;W[sp] ;B[lk]C[Nwalma [11k\]: withe win for a few points, but it's no end ] ;W[mk]C[Mushishi [6d\]: I count with SE and read with offline-mode Mushishi [6d\]: what's wrong with that code9: unimportant w winning ] ;B[ci] ;W[dh]C[narutonogo [2k\]: SE cannot count NZ rules Violence [?\]: why would you use SE? the counting rules are ING, SE doesn't work with non Japanese rules anyway Crumb [17k\]: Yay ^^ My count is the same as a computer ^^ Anekdoten [8k\]: Big lead for black saru411 [7k\]: Mushishi [6d\]: I count with SE and read with offline-mode?<<<<