(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]CA[UTF-8]
AP[Moyo Go Studio:7.1.13.0]
PW[HungJ]
PB[JLi]
HA[0]
RU[AGA]
KM[7.5]
TM[3600]
OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
RE[B+R]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
DT[2008-06-22]
ST[2]
C[JLi [-\]: have fun
HungJ [?\]: Have a good game.
]
;B[pd]BL[3590.241]
;W[qp]WL[3596.978]
C[NeoNemesis [-\]: 林老师好
]
;B[dc]BL[3574.344]
C[linxuefen [1p\]: ni hao
maxp73 [1d\]: ni hao
Uberdude [1d\]: what tournament is this?
Singer [11k\]: Are these pro ranks?
ketchup [7k\]: what is this game for?
FlameBlade [-\]: sounds like a selection competition.
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA rank
Javaness [-\]: just to see who is board 1 in WMSG
Akala [-\]: what is WMSG?
]
;W[cp]WL[3552.541]
C[linxuefen [1p\]: Li Jie 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
]
;B[ep]BL[3568.048]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: ooh, jie li, the strongest amateur go player in the US :D
ezano [4k\]: pro ?
Javaness [-\]: well I am not sure actually
ketchup [7k\]: ah fun
linxuefen [1p\]: world mind sports game
sorminator [3d\]: world mind sport game
]
;W[de]WL[3537.246]
C[goski [2d?\]: what game is this?
Shenron [1d\]: b is strongest ama in america
emacs [3k\]: Is this the actual WMSG or just the qualifier?
Elune [1k\]: weiqi^^
Akala [-\]: I don't know what that is
Shreik [10k\]: why dont you ask an admin
Shenron [1d\]: though he has not played jang bi in aga game yet
ketchup [7k\]: google it akala
calm [6k\]: I wonder if Hung wins will Jie Li find some obscure AGA rule to get him disqualified?
]
;B[ce]BL[3521.931]
C[hikaru5706 [8k?\]: calm?
tarae: d16 
Shreik [10k\]: why?
Singer [11k\]: Such as 'nobody may defeat jie li'? :P
clanogrady [4k\]: is this the olympic trials?
]
;W[cf]WL[3491.688]
C[Shreik [10k\]: if he plays c14 will black atari?
]
;B[cd]BL[3519.162]
;W[df]WL[3489.656]
;B[fc]BL[3514.916]
C[TWahl [1k\]: leave politics out, please...
GiantCat [?\]: just because you're up on AGA gossip doesn't mean its appropriate kibitz material
chipipopo: rank of them?
Javaness [-\]: no gossip please
]
;W[hp]WL[3474.695]
C[Shreik [10k\]: politics???
Shenron [1d\]: i would still bet on Jie Li if he were to play jang Bi
calme [-\]: they are both amateur ?
tarae: hmm
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG 
Javaness [-\]: Joey Hung is an AGA 8d
TWahl [1k\]: AGA politics
chipipopo: rank??
tarae: this normal?
ennuistic [1k\]: yeah, there are some politics going on in AGA
Javaness [-\]: I think Jie Li might be 9d
Singer [11k\]: Is an AGA 8d much stronger than a KGS 8d?
ezano [4k\]: D7
chipipopo: nice
chipipopo: semi pro?
ennuistic [1k\]: hard to say
Shenron [1d\]: b is 9d aga
ennuistic [1k\]: probably slightly stronger
GiantCat [?\]: this is a strange opening
ennuistic [1k\]: actually i take that back
Shiori [13k\]: KGS is slightly stronger
ennuistic [1k\]: slightly weaker
Akala [-\]: thank you
clanogrady [4k\]: slightly stronger
tarae: d7 
ennuistic [1k\]: kgs @ high dan > AGA
Seeguu [3k\]: they are slightly the same strenght
Seeguu [3k\]: :D
Shreik [10k\]: slightly the  same
Shreik [10k\]: xD
calme [-\]: i don't like leave the 3 white stones without defense
KoReNJe [5d?\]: what championship is this
ennuistic [1k\]: simply because pros make up the top parts of kgs
Shenron [1d\]: b is going to law school right now in DC so his game might be a bit rusty
Zahlman [1k\]: interesting, w does not want the same joseki as b
]
;B[co]BL[3420.088]
C[Javaness [-\]: oh
Zvi [7k\]: :o
Zvi [7k\]: now what i expected
Zahlman [1k\]: omg the real magic sword
Javaness [-\]: I expected D7
ChemBoy613 [-\]: which law school?
Zvi [7k\]: yeah
KoReNJe [5d?\]: what tournament is this
Shenron [1d\]: not sure chem
ennuistic [1k\]: this is trick play?
og [11k\]: what exactly is the wmsg?
Zahlman [1k\]: d7 is too simple I guess
goski [2d?\]: this may sound like kibitz, but what does wmsg stand for?
ennuistic [1k\]: no
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i applied to most law schools in DC so
og [11k\]: haha, goski :)
Zahlman [1k\]: b wants to counter the c14 wall
NeoNemesis [-\]: George Mason Law school
ennuistic [1k\]: when black has ladder he can play like thi
Zvi [7k\]: d7 is too joseki ^^?
ennuistic [1k\]: s
ChemBoy613 [-\]: george mason is underrated
ChemBoy613 [-\]: their admissions rep was super cool
blop: what is flooding?
Zahlman [1k\]: this is not a trick play, it's the start of very difficult joseki lines
GetStrong [?\]: where is this being played
Uberdude [1d\]: kgs
tarae: here
og [11k\]: online
ennuistic [1k\]: online obviously
Shreik [10k\]: that'sa good question
Shreik [10k\]: yes
og [11k\]: what does WMSG stand for, anyone?
Shreik [10k\]: but are they far away from each other?
ennuistic [1k\]: world class MSG
MWing [-\]: world mind sport games
SoulShard [-\]: I think the question should be "Why is this game played online?"
ennuistic [1k\]: makes great fried rice
MWing [-\]: convenience
oren [4k?\]: Soul, geography
pasky [-\]: soul, US is big country
Javaness [-\]: don't they live in different halves of the USA
tarae: idk know joseki at all
Sponge7 [2d\]: impressing game if w d4
Conanbatt [3d\]: there are so many invitees tothe World mind sports
Sponge7 [2d\]: cmon!!
]
;W[bo]WL[3353.888]
C[calm [6k\]: Is it being played online?
Sponge7 [2d\]: BORING
tarae: specially magic sword
ennuistic [1k\]: what now?
ennuistic [1k\]: crosscut?
Uberdude [1d\]: lol
Uberdude [1d\]: d5 of course
Zahlman [1k\]: I thought it was d4 normally for w
Conanbatt [3d\]: lol
Highwayman [1k\]: d5
Conanbatt [3d\]: D5 is the standard
ennuistic [1k\]: i don't know the joseki
]
;B[do]BL[3381.792]
C[Shreik [10k\]: why not d4?
Zahlman [1k\]: I guess d5 now is natural
Uberdude [1d\]: you are 1k
Shreik [10k\]: oh right
]
;W[bn]WL[3344.858]
;B[cq]BL[3379.228]
C[Uberdude [1d\]: should be able to work out some basicv shape
oren [4k?\]: Calm, it's being played online
ennuistic [1k\]: someone said it was complex so..
ennuistic [1k\]: this doesn't look all that bad
SoulShard [-\]: Err, w bad joseki choice?
Uberdude [1d\]: there are many variations
Zahlman [1k\]: b3?
Conanbatt [3d\]: b4 e3 d7 h2 ?
Shreik [10k\]: if he played d4
vk1 [2k\]: c9
Uberdude [1d\]: b5 can d5 or d4 
Shenron [1d\]: w chose simple 
Shreik [10k\]: then white would have done c3?
Reborned [1k\]: omg jli is playing
PristupaPV [11k\]: d7 
Reborned [1k\]: wowo
Reborned [1k\]: go jli
]
;W[bq]WL[3306.12]
C[karagunis [21k\]: b 3 
Reborned [1k\]: he is my hero 
Zahlman [1k\]: I like this for w
]
;B[dp]BL[3374.587]
;W[bp]WL[3301.194]
;B[dl]BL[3372.794]
C[Conanbatt [3d\]: b3 might end up low for w
Zahlman [1k\]: b does not settle so easily
tarae: seems bad for w
Conanbatt [3d\]: i dont like it. D14 doesnt look good 
]
;W[dm]WL[3285.357]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: hrm :/
GiantCat [?\]: d8 seems high or something to me
]
;B[em]BL[3370.408]
;W[cm]WL[3279.208]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: e6 e8
Zahlman [1k\]: fighto
calm [6k\]: I am suprised that such an important game is being played online. The chances for cheting seem rife.
Uberdude [1d\]: how?
Shreik [10k\]: no
WeimStyle [2d\]: hmm, I recall my "Chinese opening" book covering this variation and stating definitively that b6 is too slow and that c6 must be played instead...
Shreik [10k\]: how?
Shenron [1d\]: how to cheat
linxuefen [1p\]: hello
Conanbatt [3d\]: E6 looks very passive
tarae: using gnugo
saodiseng [5d\]: does anyone know why they are playing?
joelw [?\]: let your neighbor play for u, who is a 9p
tarae: lol
Seeguu [3k\]: f7?
]
;B[el]BL[3331.129]
C[saodiseng [5d\]: i thought both of them will play in individual open
Uberdude [1d\]: yeah my neighbour is 9p too
SoulShard [-\]: w left so low....
Elox [11k\]: Mine's only 6p. :(
linxuefen [1p\]: i don't know how to answer KGS call, sorry
Ellimist [4k\]: ime is 18k
Ellimist [4k\]: mine*
Ellimist [4k\]: :D
PristupaPV [11k\]: h4 is bad for black wall from the other hand
joelw [?\]: u need better neighborhoods when u play on switching on an online match
Krisps [-\]: is this a tournament?
Zahlman [1k\]: c3 available?
NeoNemesis [-\]: 他们不是在和你打电话... 是给妳送信息
Ornithobob [10k\]: And mine don't know what is a goban :)
Uberdude [1d\]: p3 ?
]
;W[cj]WL[3219.377]
;B[jq]BL[3321.114]
C[Hikaruwaya [4k\]: focus on game
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm c10 fixes some problems :)
tarae: maybe everybody in china has a neighbor who is pro
blop: hi linxuefen
ennuistic [1k\]: hurray, heavy attack
Shreik [10k\]: lol
Flammy [4k\]: I am a pro
Shreik [10k\]: that would be nice
Uberdude [1d\]: j5 i suppose
GiantCat [?\]: k4
karagunis [21k\]: g 15
KoReNJe [5d?\]: jet lee will win
GiantCat [?\]: yeah k4 is small
Shreik [10k\]: what's the best way to get out of a rank rut? playing higher level players doesn't seem to work.
Shenron [1d\]: is there a commented clone of this game?
ennuistic [1k\]: should be kosumi response
Sponge7 [2d\]: jet li is 11p in martial arts, 30k in go
Zahlman [1k\]: I am pro at being a neighbour
blop: not jet lee
NekoFang [18k\]: ^^
KoReNJe [5d?\]: hm
blop: jie li
mayonnaise [1d\]: i heard roy laird lives next to lee chang ho and had shuusaku's grave moved to his back yard
KoReNJe [5d?\]: oh
Javaness [-\]: sigh
KoReNJe [5d?\]: so what tournament is this?
ennuistic [1k\]: how would you have any knowledge of whether jet li is a 30k in go or not?
YogSothoth [1k\]: Zahlman: how much you get paid for being a neighbour?
GiantCat [?\]: o3 maybe?
blop: (AGA)
Sponge7 [2d\]: he is my neibourgh ;)
Zahlman [1k\]: I didn't mean pro in that sense :)
tarae: w is too low
NekoFang [18k\]: Zahlman occasionally gets paid a few stixcks of pocky ;)
YogSothoth [1k\]: Spain will so beat Italy
Shreik [10k\]: Lol
Sponge7 [2d\]: socker is meaningless
isshoni [6k\]: i d like that, but i don t think.
joelw [?\]: mr rogers is the ownage at go...u didn't realize it, but his tv show was an advertisement for online go tournament players
Shreik [10k\]: ahah
calme [-\]: white is in a good position
ToWeak [-\]: what b rank?
MWing [-\]: making useless comments in meaningless
ToWeak [-\]: and w rank?
tarae: ru sure?
Shreik [10k\]: ok thats just dumb
GiantCat [?\]: i feel like w has to play to utilize h4 somehow
Yanwangye [-\]: what is it for a game?
Hikaruwaya [4k\]: w 9d b 8d
calme [-\]: b 9d
Hikaruwaya [4k\]: oh
YogSothoth [1k\]: of course socker is meaningless, as the word doesn
NeoNemesis [-\]: I actually think black is 9d... white is 8d
Hikaruwaya [4k\]: sry
YogSothoth [1k\]: tt mean anything
blop: Jie Li (9d) vs. Joey Hung (8d)'s   (AGA)
]
;W[en]WL[3016.853]
C[TWahl [1k\]: They are both very strong, the last time I talked with either player. Jie Li won most of the games between them.
Shreik [10k\]: aha
Shreik [10k\]: saw that
NeoNemesis [-\]: actually.. jie li won every game except 1
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
saymon59 [6k\]: 9 P?
saymon59 [6k\]: or 9 D
Shreik [10k\]: f6?
Reborned [1k\]: jie li is as strong as a 9p
YogSothoth [1k\]: 9d ama
calme [-\]: 9d is 9d
Shreik [10k\]: whats a "p" ranking :O
Reborned [1k\]: even strogner
saymon59 [6k\]: oki
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA rank 9d and 8d
Reborned [1k\]: p is pro
Shreik [10k\]:  ô)
Shreik [10k\]: ah ok
Reborned [1k\]: jei li is amazing
Reborned [1k\]: he beat feng yun who is 9dan pro 
KoReNJe [5d?\]: 9d aga is ~5d kgs :p
TWahl [1k\]: Jei li is cocking (or was) as all hell.
]
;B[fn]BL[3231.306]
C[Sakae [2k\]: other way around :P I think :o
linxuefen [1p\]: i guess high than that
]
;W[fo]WL[3005.24]
C[tarae: cocking?
YogSothoth [1k\]: 9d KGS is about 1dan pro
artboy598 [11k\]: can a 1d beat a 1p in an even match?
]
;B[dn]BL[3221.721]
C[TWahl [1k\]: sorry cocky
Sakae [2k\]: art. no
GiantCat [?\]: d6?
maxp73 [1d\]: yes of course
GiantCat [?\]: why not e5?
NeoNemesis [-\]: apparently troy knows a lot of Jie Lis
YogSothoth [1k\]: 1d can beat 1p with 9 handi
Sakae [2k\]: the 1d would need like 6 stones
Javaness [-\]: I quite like Joey Hung's style
joelw [?\]: d6=dare u to connect
YogSothoth [1k\]: if lucky
Javaness [-\]: he had a fun game against snowman in the WAGC
jiajia07 [10k\]: hi Vincent999
GiantCat [?\]: g6 is whites move here, or something
Shreik [10k\]: yha
linxuefen [1p\]: hi jiajia and vincent
linxuefen [1p\]: welcome
Shreik [10k\]: make some influence toward centre
ketchup [7k\]: hmm is f4 a reasonable move here?
jiajia07 [10k\]: hi
Zahlman [1k\]: hard to figure w's plan...
Zahlman [1k\]: I guess the stones have to just be treated lightly
Hikaruwaya [4k\]: gain corner?
Javaness [-\]: just connectyness
joelw [?\]: connect and battle
calme [-\]: E5 is good
GiantCat [?\]: no connect
saymon59 [6k\]: maybe not
saymon59 [6k\]: F 4
ketchup [7k\]: this battle seems to hurt
GiantCat [?\]: g6 or f7 are my guess
GiantCat [?\]: depending on what white wants to go for
saymon59 [6k\]: seem to be good
Painless [?\]: Connection is the only move after E6 and F5, but B gets a big wall
Shreik [10k\]: black is not going to die in the bottom
Conanbatt [3d\]: if w doesnt connect, i dont understand why he played E6 in the first place
Shreik [10k\]: so connecting...
GiantCat [?\]: f7 not so good actually
TWahl [1k\]: w tenuki
Shreik [10k\]: I just dont get why black cut...
Uberdude [1d\]: does b atari down?
goski [2d?\]: might be a short game this
Uberdude [1d\]: sacrifice e4?
Conanbatt [3d\]: no tennuki, have to give meaning to E6 and F5
Kenjiro [2k\]: g6 seems good
Shreik [10k\]: yes
Shreik [10k\]: followed by g7??
GiantCat [?\]: yeah, that's my guess
calme [-\]: why white is so long
AboutYou [1d\]: g6 aji keshi?
Shreik [10k\]: mh
TWahl [1k\]: I know these two, tennuki and wait is their way of playing
GiantCat [?\]: followed by white k6 or something... k6 too far though
blop: w is thinking
Painless [?\]: Giving black a ponnuki there in exchange for a terribly weak trash group of three stones = game over
missbear [5d\]: is this friendly match?
NeoNemesis [-\]: no missbear
GiantCat [?\]: but painless, w can't connect
calme [-\]: why
missbear [5d\]: what match?
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG
linxuefen [1p\]: official game
Uberdude [1d\]: what does b do if w connect?
missbear [5d\]: world mind sports game?
]
;W[jp]WL[2734.593]
C[joelw [?\]: he takes the bottom
]
;B[kp]BL[3217.034]
;W[kq]WL[2733.337]
C[linxuefen [1p\]: yes
missbear [5d\]: but i think both jie and joey are in the team
missbear [5d\]: what is the game for?
saodiseng [5d\]: both will play in amateur individual
oren [4k?\]: game is to determine first board
artboy598 [11k\]: i wish Go was more popular in my state
Shreik [10k\]: hmm
linxuefen [1p\]: compete for a free airplane tickect
]
;B[lq]BL[3174.012]
C[missbear [5d\]: i c
Shreik [10k\]: double atari?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: where you live, artboy?
saodiseng [5d\]: i thought traveling expenses are covered by AGA
artboy598 [11k\]: Detroit, MI
oren [4k?\]: I'm guessing Jie could use the ticket more.  Farther flight
Shreik [10k\]: wheres Jie at ?
missbear [5d\]: jie is in DC now
YogSothoth [1k\]: IF w doesn't extend, why did he cross-cut in the first place?
Shreik [10k\]: where would he be going?
gosta [5k\]: b wall narrowed
GiantCat [?\]: w j3? l2 doesn't work
]
;W[kr]WL[2611.866]
;B[ip]BL[3170.46]
C[GiantCat [?\]: wow
GiantCat [?\]: okay
Zahlman [1k\]: lol
]
;W[jo]WL[2602.892]
;B[iq]BL[3168.335]
C[GiantCat [?\]: for the wall i guess
G0g0l [1d\]: who are the player ?
G0g0l [1d\]: n rank plz
Shreik [10k\]: atari again?
linxuefen [1p\]: Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d 
]
;W[fp]WL[2579.609]
C[G0g0l [1d\]: ty
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG 
Conanbatt [3d\]: nice timing
missbear [5d\]: Italy vs Spain 0:0
]
;B[eo]BL[3125.269]
C[igoAggie [6k\]: is this being played on KGS or on a real board and someone is logging it on kgs?
]
;W[io]WL[2571.262]
C[oren [4k?\]: played on kgs
Shreik [10k\]: m4
]
;B[lr]BL[3121.617]
C[jiajia07 [10k\]: whats AGA WMSG?
Shreik [10k\]: ...
]
;W[ko]WL[2559.107]
;B[lp]BL[3119.885]
C[Javaness [-\]: world mind sports games
oren [4k?\]: american go association
linxuefen [1p\]: American Go Association(AGA) 
GiantCat [?\]: see what is this, this is L2
linxuefen [1p\]: Worl Mind Sports Game(WMSG)
Shreik [10k\]: white should have m4
madouille [1k\]: are they amateur dan or pro dan ?
Bobsyth [6k\]: ama
Uberdude [1d\]: not really shreik
linxuefen [1p\]: World~~~
Ho [5k\]: American Go Assassination
Shreik [10k\]: well
Shreik [10k\]: m4
Uberdude [1d\]: then black will L5
GiantCat [?\]: m4 would have split him worse
Elox [11k\]: Maybe if you guys just say "AGA WMSG Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d" every 10 seconds, people would stop asking. XD
Uberdude [1d\]: and then what do you do?
Shreik [10k\]: if black doesnt extend l4 up
Uberdude [1d\]: of course he will
Shreik [10k\]: then white cuts it in two
GiantCat [?\]: or did you mean earlier?
Zvi [7k\]: hi giant cat
Zvi [7k\]: what's up ?
GiantCat [?\]: hi zvi
Kenjiro [2k\]: h3 
Shreik [10k\]: then white plays n3
]
;W[hq]WL[2476.777]
;B[jr]BL[3116.371]
C[Zvi [7k\]: slow game :d
]
;W[ir]WL[2476.091]
;B[ks]BL[3114.393]
C[linxuefen [1p\]: KGS Sweety is broadcasting???
missbear [5d\]: I think black is happy for this result
Uberdude [1d\]: then black pl;ays k2
Uberdude [1d\]: or n2 first
Conanbatt [3d\]: black is very thick
GiantCat [?\]: looks pretty fast to me ;-)
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
tarae: seems bad for w
Zvi [7k\]: ^^
GiantCat [?\]: yeah
linxuefen [1p\]: ok let me do this
Conanbatt [3d\]: w has to take a lot from the attack on f6
linxuefen [1p\]: but 10 second will be hard work
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
Elox [11k\]: Haha.
Conanbatt [3d\]: iits not clear where would white take any points.
Frog2win [6d\]: is there a website for this event?
missbear [5d\]: xuefen, Myung Wan Kim is here is LA now, He will stay here
Akagi316 [8k\]: hmm...don't understand w
]
;W[hn]WL[2361.928]
C[tarae: ou
GiantCat [?\]: why protect h5 cut? it doesn't seem to work?
NeoNemesis [-\]: black G6 would be too painful
Conanbatt [3d\]: its protecting against black G6
Kita [4k\]: at the...
]
;B[hl]BL[3077.592]
C[mousie [4d\]: or H7
GiantCat [?\]: okay I guess
Kenjiro [2k\]: if b went h6 first it would be bad I think
mousie [4d\]: H6
underwaH [2k\]: prepare to ayyack?
Uberdude [1d\]: also b f3 would threten cut
underwaH [2k\]: attack
Uberdude [1d\]: and f3 in sente is helpful for eyes
tarae: seems ....
Kenjiro [2k\]: n6 
california: are those players pro ?
]
;W[qf]WL[2300.525]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: no
Conanbatt [3d\]: black is better
Conanbatt [3d\]: no doubt
isshoni [6k\]: they re top amateurs
]
;B[qh]BL[3046.618]
C[california: are there aga 9d ??
moetero [2k?\]: who said it that w needed m4?
california: thought max 8d
Shreik [10k\]: i just said it would be nice
Shreik [10k\]: meant
pilouf [5k\]: Black looks good
moetero [2k?\]: m4 l5 l6 m5 m6 n5 j7 doesn't look so bad
Javaness [-\]: I wonder when AGA will reallign their rating system
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
Yanwangye [-\]: what is AGA?
Shreik [10k\]: mh
DrGoPlayer [?\]: AGA has calculated numerical ranks.  If you win enough games you could be 100 dan
Elox [11k\]: Good job, linxuefen. :P
Mjolner [4k\]: really?
linxuefen [1p\]: Thanks
pilouf [5k\]: american go assotiation
Shreik [10k\]: let me check it out
moetero [2k?\]: how about you concentrate on the game?
Akagi316 [8k\]: why is w taking so long? thinking about tenuki?
Uberdude [1d\]: o2 kill the thicknes!
Conanbatt [3d\]: k
Conanbatt [3d\]: .l.
Conanbatt [3d\]: lol uber
Javaness [-\]: will you play in WMSG linxuefen?
oeillet: how strong is aga 8d in europe ?
Uberdude [1d\]: 55 kg
linxuefen [1p\]: no, i am not citizen
oeillet: lol
Javaness [-\]: 8d probably 6dan or so
Conanbatt [3d\]: if w plays O16 or O17 black builds mor thickness and it can harm k4
Uberdude [1d\]: is jie li citizen now then?
NeoNemesis [-\]: jie's a citizen
linxuefen [1p\]: yes, i think so
Uberdude [1d\]: recent?
NeoNemesis [-\]: yup
Javaness [-\]: maybe a year?
Uberdude [1d\]: so going to wagc next year?
NeoNemesis [-\]: unfortunately not
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C[Javaness [-\]: not unless he wins US Open
NeoNemesis [-\]: well yeah unless he gets enough pts
Shreik [10k\]:  Idon't think w is thinking about the tenuki
Javaness [-\]: I don't think they'll cancel the WAGC for a few years yet though :)
Shreik [10k\]: ---
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;B[oh]BL[2960.904]
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C[HarvestWu: aga 8-9d ~= ?p
Badsign [6d\]: why would they cancel the wagc?
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C[oeillet: 6d :)
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
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C[Javaness [-\]: they won't. they cancelled the WWAGC though.
Reborned [1k\]: joey will lose
Reborned [1k\]: JLI is a master
GiantCat [?\]: agreed
Badsign [6d\]: wwagc?
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C[icebucket [-\]: Go B!
oeillet: maybe Jet Li can beat Chuck Norris
og [11k\]: women's wagc
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C[Badsign [6d\]: was there even a wwagc?
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C[Gresil [8k?\]: how else could they cancel it
linxuefen [1p\]: World Mind SPort Games in Beijing
Shreik [10k\]: why chuck norris
Badsign [6d\]: i thought the wagc is for all genders
Shreik [10k\]: that's random..
Conanbatt [3d\]: all three of them, Badsign
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C[oeillet: they play in beijing ?
laopooo [5d\]: it makes no sense there is separation of men and womens leagues for a mind sport...
Badsign [6d\]: yes, all 3 of them
Badsign [6d\]: male female and unknown
Shreik [10k\]: yes in person, women will cheat against men :
Badsign [6d\]: we had a few unknowns this year
Shreik [10k\]: :p
GiantCat [?\]: why laopooo?  if men and women have different bodies, its likely they have different minds as well, yin and yang
EliDupree [5k?\]: i'll sign up for the unknown division
Elox [11k\]: "Mind Sport" sounds so futuristic. Better than "board game". 
Flammy [4k\]: why not ? men are smarter
Javaness [-\]: This is not the place to discuss men and women
noobie2k: ooh
Badsign [6d\]: so we can discuss unknown?
EliDupree [5k?\]: :D
akito [19k\]: ^^
california: only woman ;)
EliDupree [5k?\]: I think people of unknown gender are smarter
Flammy [4k\]: unknown and women are not the same thing ?
oeillet: the match between Kasparov and kramnik in 2000 was also a Mind Sport thing
GiantCat [?\]: is b o16 sente?
Shreik [10k\]: will black go for the middle?
saymon59 [6k\]: S17 there no?
tarae: what middle
icebucket [-\]: LR corner first before middle
Shreik [10k\]: ok
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C[laopooo [5d\]: w play so loosely, and not getting any points
Shreik [10k\]: josekip4
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C[Badsign [6d\]: yeah
Shreik [10k\]: hmm
Badsign [6d\]: he is playing pretty fast too
Badsign [6d\]: but black is much better for this game
Ulath [6k\]: slower than B
Badsign [6d\]: h4 group is horrible
california: is this just a tournament game ?
Javaness [-\]: no
Shreik [10k\]: why is it so horrible?
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C[Javaness [-\]: qualification game i think
oeillet: w has a huge 15 poitns on the left
Badsign [6d\]: because its not doing anything
california: ok thanks
Frog2win [6d\]: this is a competition to decide US team for the olympics in bejing china
Badsign [6d\]: its not even alive
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C[Shreik [10k\]: ihow so
Badsign [6d\]: so i get to meet the winner there
california: seriously is go olympic ?
veggie: not alive? :-)
EliDupree [5k?\]: black's D5 group is also pretty lame
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C[oeillet: will korea play in beijing ?
artboy598 [11k\]: they have Go in the olympic!?!?!?!?!?!?
Shreik [10k\]: g5 and g3 are those exchangeable plays I cant remember what its called again
Javaness [-\]: it isn't the Olympics as such
EliDupree [5k?\]: miai
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C[Frog2win [6d\]: or so i take it
tarae: it is a sideshow at the olympics
oeillet: it seems this competition is related to Olympics
Shreik [10k\]: yeah
Shreik [10k\]: ok
Badsign [6d\]: this year they have the first mind sports olympic, including chess bridge go and something else
akito [19k\]: ^^
EliDupree [5k?\]: (not that I'm saying those moves are miai...)
oeillet: chine chess
Badsign [6d\]: its a month after the sports olympics
artboy598 [11k\]: can you watch imerican tv
saymon59 [6k\]: white conect
Shreik [10k\]: lol
oeillet: chinese c*
veggie: not mind sports olympics
saymon59 [6k\]: for sur
california: cool didnt know
Shreik [10k\]: black wouldn'T play there
veggie: it started as intellympics...
artboy598 [11k\]: that sucks
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
laopooo [5d\]: bridge and draughts (checkers)
veggie: then IOC objected
Shreik [10k\]: but
mhl13 [5k\]: world mind sports game - AGA sending 22 players, inclduoing both of these ugys. Winner gets a free aire fare
Shreik [10k\]: thats what it takes to live
veggie: the name was then changes to Mind Sports Games
Gimpyjoe [4k\]: checkers is a beat game though 0_o
missbear [5d\]: i heard the WMSG is well funded
Shreik [10k\]: beat game?
tarae: they should play othello
missbear [5d\]: they should set prize though
Shreik [10k\]: oh yeah thats cool
oeillet: quite surprised that draughts will be olympic !
Gimpyjoe [4k\]: perfect play has been computed
EliDupree [5k?\]: they should play The Merchant of Venice
kex [5k\]: this is a bead game
Shreik [10k\]: oh ok
NeoNemesis [-\]: i wonder if they have 5 in a row at the wmsg
veggie: WMSG is okay-funded, not well funded :-)
moetero [2k?\]: r13 
artboy598 [11k\]: i hate othello!!!!
oeillet: 7x7 go solved too
royu [5d\]: do players have to play in every event? or just Go
mhl13 [5k\]: just  go
Conanbatt [3d\]: lol royu
Akagi316 [8k\]: rofl
oeillet: lol : mind games pentathlon
pasky [-\]: royu :))
Shreik [10k\]: le coup divin
Badsign [6d\]: just go..
Gresil [8k?\]: did white just make three weak groups in one corner
mhl13 [5k\]: not a pentathon! 
Badsign [6d\]: there is devisions for go too
royu [5d\]: there is a mind games pentahlon btw
artboy598 [11k\]: people keep confusing it with Go and think it's boring'
Gimpyjoe [4k\]: multi-lingual scrabble for the tie breaker
Badsign [6d\]: individulas, team...
pasky [-\]: I wanna see yoda norimoto play bridge
veggie: players can play in up to two events
Frog2win [6d\]: real go players don't even know how to play bridge
pasky [-\]: me neither
veggie: define real go player
oeillet: i wanna see Lee Sedol play chess
Akagi316 [8k\]: nice i'm a real go player
truesaint [2k\]: would make great TV coverage though
Shreik [10k\]: will white cut?
mhl13 [5k\]: Veggie - only one event per person!
veggie: no
Shreik [10k\]: w r13
veggie: up to two events per person
mhl13 [5k\]: for the AGA anyway
Shreik [10k\]: bs11
NekoFang [18k\]: Why cut?
moetero [2k?\]: no choice but to cut
Shreik [10k\]: wr11
meuns [6k\]: rapyuta vs saichina is funniest
meuns [6k\]: :D
veggie: right, for AGA, they set it up differently
jantiff [-\]: cut looks poor
Shreik [10k\]: b capture
Akagi316 [8k\]: bad game for w
mhl13 [5k\]: right : )
NekoFang [18k\]: Will nobi not work?
Shreik [10k\]: wq13
Shreik [10k\]: **q12
royu [5d\]: it's too bad they don't have othello ... deeper game than checkers
jantiff [-\]: Q11 then S11
mhl13 [5k\]: we wanted to maximize the number of players that would be able to play for AGA
GiantCat [?\]: games like this are hard, seems like white would have lost in spirit long before the game is over
Shreik [10k\]: hm
veggie: the 10x10 checkers is quite sophisticated
mhl13 [5k\]: 10 x 10? are you joking?
veggie: most of the draughts games will play on 10x10
Shreik [10k\]: so..
NekoFang [18k\]: and veggies are quite yummy
EliDupree [5k?\]: surely you mean 19x19
veggie: 8x8 for them is kind of like 13x13 go
EliDupree [5k?\]: it works so well for Go, after all
oeillet: draughts is 10x10, checher is 8x8 and solved
isshoni [6k\]: othello vs checkers: i don t know for the mind sport games, but for the regular olypmics, a sport has to be a world sport, to qualify
veggie: right, oeillet
Shreik [10k\]: white cut at r 13 followed by s11 r11 t12 q12 
mhl13 [5k\]: what is W's next move?
Shreik [10k\]: is bad
NekoFang [18k\]: Hi, Shogi =)
Shreik [10k\]: ?
veggie: but they do have a medal round for 8x8
ShogiandGo [15k\]: lol, hello
NekoFang [18k\]: Why is white contemplating for so long?
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C[HarvestWu: E6 is too early, not too many thin groups
oeillet: the draughts world champion hasn't lost one single game int he last 40 years
EliDupree [5k?\]: lookin for ways out of his fix
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C[DrGoPlayer [?\]: how to live?  that is question
wijii [-\]: B stronger
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C[oeillet: B 9d ...
Uberdude [1d\]: NekoFang, because go is a thinking agame
Javaness [-\]: I thought Tilley was dead now
FlameBlade [-\]: the situation looks a bit tricky
ShogiandGo [15k\]: lol
truesaint [2k\]: oeillet, the undefeated world champion died last year
royu [5d\]: othello is a very deep game... imo more readily shows "chaos"... somewhat like Go
Shreik [10k\]: :(
Javaness [-\]: or was it Tinsley
Badsign [6d\]: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/04/sports/EU-SPT-Mind-Sports-Games.php
mhl13 [5k\]: XFL  - big crowd! 
veggie: othello is completely solved by computer
calm [6k\]: oeillet, no the draughts world champion has been champion for less then ten years. The chamnpion before that died a few years ago.
Badsign [6d\]: if anyone wants to read alittle about the mind sports games
royu [5d\]: so is checkers..?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm not really a fan of white's play in top right
royu [5d\]: you can extend othello on to larger boards as well
veggie: no, royu
Shreik [10k\]: r 13 followed by s11 r11 t12 q12 
Singer [11k\]: Presumably the draughts world champion has just learned how to solve draughts and taken it from there...?
Shreik [10k\]: can anyone check that?
veggie: not the 10x10 version that they play
royu [5d\]: already anticipated your follow :)
moetero [2k?\]: lol
Shenron [1d\]: can we talk about go for a while?
brokingles [9k?\]: long live millard hopper!
calm [6k\]: Martion TInsley dies April 3, 1995
Shenron [1d\]: maybe even something about the game
Shreik [10k\]: thats what I was ..
moetero [2k?\]: r13 s11 r11 q12 
NekoFang [18k\]: :D
artboy598 [11k\]: go is perfect!!!!!!!!!!
moetero [2k?\]: go is flawed
Shreik [10k\]: ...
Shreik [10k\]: yaya an argument
NekoFang [18k\]: define "perfect"
akito [19k\]: ^^
Ijime [4k\]: chess is more flawed
Conanbatt [3d\]: complicated fight
DrGoPlayer [?\]: o13 seals in w
artboy598 [11k\]: point out the flaws
Oninokisei [?\]: Q13 look strange
chipipopo: n14 
artboy598 [11k\]: in go
Conanbatt [3d\]: if black captures S11 and w plays m14, then black r6. Hows the game for black?
moetero [2k?\]: man can't make a perfect game, as he isn't perfect himself
Conanbatt [3d\]: the invasion is powerfull becuase black is quite strong in the sorroundings
artboy598 [11k\]: how do you know man made it
Ellimist [4k\]: i think go comes pretty close though moetero
DrGoPlayer [?\]: w R13 can push thru and connect
GiantCat [?\]: if w attacks o15, might escape so black will probably play around there
artboy598 [11k\]: no one knows who made it
moetero [2k?\]: because I'm not a conspiracy theorist
Shreik [10k\]: cant white make a net?
GiantCat [?\]: go was used for fortune telling in ancient china
Shreik [10k\]: so black needs to move
joelw [?\]: o13 
veggie: the lower left play by w is problematic, it seems
royu [5d\]: also, correct me if I'm wrong -but actually all these games on "standard" sized boards aren't actually "solved"... just that there are programs that can defeat the strongest of players
Ellimist [4k\]: lol
Jazzman [1k\]: probably not "Go" was used to predict future, but was developed from that?
Ellimist [4k\]: well said roy
tarae: checkers is solved
Ellimist [4k\]: royu*
pilouf [5k\]: q13
GiantCat [?\]: of course jazzman
wijii [-\]: in years to come a computer might beat the pros in go ><
Akagi316 [8k\]: nevar
mhl13 [5k\]: eventually it will happen
artboy598 [11k\]: never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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C[Frog2win [6d\]: and then they will take over the world
Elox [11k\]: It'll be a while, I believe
wijii [-\]: yes they will
Conanbatt [3d\]: bad shape, but its the most severe attack
Maximo234 [5k\]: i hope we do something more useful with computers then build them to play games for us
Shreik [10k\]: the materix..
brokingles [9k?\]: that's it!! once a computer can beat a pro, the game is useless and i'll never play again...
NekoFang [18k\]: ...
lovejj [1k\]: are they playing from home?
oeillet: for the record, wikipedia says that Marion Tinsley lost 7 checker games in 45 year carreer
ShogiandGo [15k\]: its too addicting to stop
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C[Jazzman [1k\]: and robots beat humans in soccer....
NekoFang [18k\]: XD
joelw [?\]: so when a computer beats a pro at poker, you'll quick that game, too?
Shreik [10k\]: watch it now
Shreik [10k\]: what happens?
DanielFox [3k\]: its okay, by the time they can beat a pro, the singularity will have happened, and we'll be part computer, so we can still keep playing. Just much much deeper go :)
GiantCat [?\]: the singularity already happened, you missed it, sorry
DanielFox [3k\]: darn
royu [5d\]: terminator, judgement day
mhl13 [5k\]: computers cannot play poker better than humans 
Shreik [10k\]: white can connect?
Javaness [-\]: *cough*
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C[ShogiandGo [15k\]: lol
GiantCat [?\]: white o13 looks okay
moetero [2k?\]: nice timing, java
royu [5d\]: javaness, judgement day
GiantCat [?\]: o14 rather
revan27 [8k\]: yeah but theyve got pretty good poker faces
dutch2dan [2d\]: java needs his cough drops again (aka guinness) :)
tarae: so w dies?
mhl13 [5k\]: but  lousy tabel chat
akito [19k\]: ^^
GiantCat [?\]: w o14 and then w cut at n13, black has to defend n15
moetero [2k?\]: w doesn't die
NekoFang [18k\]: *gives java cough drops*
GiantCat [?\]: w attacks o13
dutch2dan [2d\]: hiccup?
tarae: q12 r11 q11 q10 s14 t12 s10 ?
ShogiandGo [15k\]: lol
Conanbatt [3d\]: q12 r11 q11 q10 q13 t12 s10 s14 o14 n14 n13 m14 m13 l14 o12 p11 p13 
Conanbatt [3d\]: cant capture w
Hikaruwaya [4k\]: oh I see
brokingles [9k?\]: who is joey hung?
mhl13 [5k\]: lol
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
lovejj [1k\]: is this an internet game?
akito [19k\]: white
Conanbatt [3d\]: the issue is
lovejj [1k\]: or broadcasted real life?
Conanbatt [3d\]: q12 r11 q11 q13 
NekoFang [18k\]: real life, I believe
Conanbatt [3d\]: that becomes complicated
og [11k\]: internet.
mhl13 [5k\]: internt game
linxuefen [1p\]: yes, internet real time game
calm [6k\]: I wish KGs had the variation commentor that CygberOro does.
Badsign [6d\]: j16/h17 very big after they settle this
NekoFang [18k\]: But Ithought it was part of a tournament...?
veggie: push and cut?
lovejj [1k\]: hehe so cheat using a real board
lovejj [1k\]: ; )
akito [19k\]: ^^
Conanbatt [3d\]: q12 r11 q11 q13 q10 p13 s10 t12 t10 s14 t11 s12 r15 s15 r16 t16  connects
linxuefen [1p\]: playing online, AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
mhl13 [5k\]: this game determine only who gets a free ticket tothe WMSG offered by the hosts for a singleseat in the open amateur event
NekoFang [18k\]: They're going to be flooded with comments when this thing ends... o.o
Sakae [2k\]: well, I think it's good that KGS doesn't have the variation thing like cyberoro has
veggie: actually by AGA ranking, both are 7d's
Badsign [6d\]: in israel we decided to split the ticket
Sakae [2k\]: if that is used. there's no need for reading
veggie: AGA does not sanction 8d and 9d
NekoFang [18k\]: Variation thing?
Badsign [6d\]: it means if 5 are going everyone gets 20% off
Sakae [2k\]: some preplay thing
oeillet: how to split a ticket ? they play rengo .?
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C[NekoFang [18k\]: *is confuzzled*
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;W[mg]WL[1223.656]
C[mhl13 [5k\]: Badsign - we have separate fund raising to help all players - no losers here
GiantCat [?\]: yes!
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;W[mh]WL[1207.304]
;B[lf]BL[2299.915]
C[Sakae [2k\]: it is like the offline mode
Sakae [2k\]: but the players can use it
pasky [-\]: heh, really?
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;W[ph]WL[1185.19]
C[pasky [-\]: i never knew about tha tfeature
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C[Conanbatt [3d\]: w has terrible shape
FlameBlade [-\]: interesting game.
calm [6k\]: Conanbatt
calm [6k\]: Sorry but W ge4ts out.
Sakae [2k\]: white will have problem with time
Conanbatt [3d\]: Why sorry?
jawnaw2000 [10k\]: W013?
Sakae [2k\]: 18 min left
Sakae [2k\]: and in this speed he'll soon be out of time
NekoFang [18k\]: .O12
joelw [?\]: he's apologizing to u because he is echoing u
GiantCat [?\]: w o13, b p11 w p13
jawnaw2000 [10k\]: sry I meant 012. I can't count
Shenron [1d\]: http://www.thegoblog.com/removelaird.html
madouille [1k\]: M12 OK ?
GiantCat [?\]: yeah o12
GiantCat [?\]: this is still tricky for w
sirius45 [15k\]: o12
veggie: q11 only?
GiantCat [?\]: he still doesn't have an eye and black can attack l5 and o14 group next
ShogiandGo [15k\]: nice username shenron
Sakae [2k\]: q11 
q11 [1d?\]: q11 strong!
GiantCat [?\]: q11 might be best but loses r10?
NekoFang [18k\]: Indeed, Shenron ^^
calm [6k\]: Conanbatt, sorry because I hit return too early.
GiantCat [?\]: oh maybe not
GiantCat [?\]: yeah q11 is good
q11 [1d?\]: why thank you :p
ShogiandGo [15k\]: lol
Reborned [1k\]: q11 is a duh move
joelw [?\]: wow, good timing for the login
vega12 [9k\]: Yeah, if white plays O12 first, black would respond with Q11... so looks like Q11 might need to be first.
NekoFang [18k\]: XD
Shiori [13k\]: aibou
janibi [1d\]: pros?
Shiori [13k\]: don't ignore
NekoFang [18k\]: Shi-chan~ ^_^
Shiori [13k\]: ^^
NekoFang [18k\]: I told you my sound was off.... ^^U
Shreik [10k\]: oh man where did I go with this
artboy598 [11k\]: hey shiori
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C[Shreik [10k\]: that was insane
Reborned [1k\]: r11 is a titanic move
Shiori [13k\]: hEY
Akagi316 [8k\]: b + time
ShogiandGo [15k\]: im sure too most people you two are being random
joelw [?\]: q11!!
Reborned [1k\]: not insane mr 10k
Shiori [13k\]: stupid caps lock.....
Shreik [10k\]: I was talking about my own private developments
Shreik [10k\]: apologies
Reborned [1k\]: no one as the right to say anything aobut there moves thats bad unless theyt are there level
q11 [1d?\]: k13 seems fairly only move to me
Reborned [1k\]: oh 
Shreik [10k\]: ><
Conanbatt [3d\]: can w capture m14 if he plays?
janibi [1d\]: are the players pros?
Capsule [3d\]: oh, it's reborned...going to use SE again to count score? :)
Reborned [1k\]: XD
mexican5d [2d\]: no
Shreik [10k\]: I know this very well lol
Reborned [1k\]: hungj sn't
Conanbatt [3d\]: sure? what if w k13?
Reborned [1k\]: but jli is as strong as 9p
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C[Reborned [1k\]: strponger than some
Sakae [2k\]: K13 isn't dangeurs
jantiff [-\]: !
lovejj [1k\]: m12 is so brave
Singer [11k\]: How is the game being transcribed?
Conanbatt [3d\]: really sakae? wanna bet? what do you answer?
Reborned [1k\]: man q14
elciego [-\]: by the fact that it's being played online
artboy598 [11k\]: i would have went at q1
Sakae [2k\]: k13 k14 
Reborned [1k\]: is a fnatastic move
Conanbatt [3d\]: L14
Reborned [1k\]: that move rocks
Sakae [2k\]: I think p14 dies first
gosta [5k\]: something went wrong for w
rubik [6d?\]: p13 ...
Conanbatt [3d\]: thats another matter :)
joelw [?\]: q11
Conanbatt [3d\]: but k13 captures
Reborned [1k\]: jli is playign him tjhats what whent wrong
mexican5d [2d\]: done
mexican5d [2d\]: no way to fix this
Conanbatt [3d\]: so have to be very careful on libs, w needs 4
Capsule [3d\]: assuming p14 is safe (which it isn't), then K13 would kill M14.
Reborned [1k\]: wow JLi is my hero that guy rocks so much T.T
Akagi316 [8k\]: p13?
mexican5d [2d\]: over
Shiori [13k\]: a games not over till the last stone is played...
Reborned [1k\]: p13 whtie will die
mexican5d [2d\]: shiori, what if it was the last stone?
Shiori [13k\]: how do you know?
mexican5d [2d\]: shiori, don't say things if you are not sure either if you want to be so 'technical'
Reborned [1k\]: i read
Reborned [1k\]: thats how
]
;W[og]WL[698.368]
;B[nh]BL[2188.251]
;W[pi]WL[694.7]
;B[pj]BL[2185.094]
C[royu [5d\]: gg
Reborned [1k\]: ding time
Zvi [7k\]: and besieds that, some games are over way before the last stone :)
Reborned [1k\]: game voer
]
;W[rf]WL[680.627]
C[moetero [2k?\]: what? white will die?
veggie: q13...
Conanbatt [3d\]: 4 libs
Sakae [2k\]: q15 ?
Conanbatt [3d\]: t12 k13 p11 q13 q15 l14 r15 l13 s15 m15 
Conanbatt [3d\]: if black answers here, w captures m14
gimme [-\]: start q13
]


(;B[kh]BL[2142.771]
;W[ki]WL[672.903]
C[Sakae [2k\]: no no, nvm
Hagen0 [4k\]: hm
Conanbatt [3d\]: interesting messy fight. Hard to know whats going on, becuase there are so many weak groups
Zvi [7k\]: this is one big mess of groups :D
]
;B[jg]BL[2103.923]
C[lovejj [1k\]: why r ppl saying game over?
Zvi [7k\]: people are passimistic
Reborned [1k\]: becuse jli si great
Conanbatt [3d\]: s10_
Alejo [6k\]: why not black playing q13 and stealing eye?
oeillet: w doesnt want to be caught in a ko fight 
icebucket [-\]: BBetter
Kenjiro [2k\]: t13 
Reborned [1k\]: somthign of whtie's will die
Zvi [7k\]: i don't guess s10 works ..
Conanbatt [3d\]: but after that, if black plays j16, i see no hope for w
icebucket [-\]: WS10, B N10?
q11 [1d?\]: ah b is so clever
mexican5d [2d\]: depends what you mean by 'works'
q11 [1d?\]: q14 induced o12 so he could hane at L12
moetero [2k?\]: unlimited tesuji works
Zvi [7k\]: well, living and leaving o12 weak
Conanbatt [3d\]: it lives, but m12 is too weak
Zvi [7k\]: oh :(
Zvi [7k\]: thanks
Conanbatt [3d\]: ws no good here
blop: is Q13 work?
royu [5d\]: what can w do if b j16
wijii [-\]: b has control
blop: i think Q13 is ok
Singer [11k\]: Is w top right dead?
Akagi316 [8k\]: hm, does s10 work?
mexican5d [2d\]: no
mexican5d [2d\]: not thw ay you think it works
ChoMama [-\]: not yet, singer
mexican5d [2d\]: *not the way you think it works
joelw [?\]: s10 and move one
joelw [?\]: *on
royu [5d\]: w s10 is good
Reborned [1k\]: white will play j16 or somwer up there to protect 
Conanbatt [3d\]: even after capturing r11 w is not happy on the right, so much aji.
gorobert [2d?\]: Maybe that wedge move was played too early, if atari, white would be worse
]
;W[rj]WL[427.167]
C[Conanbatt [3d\]: Ws having a really tough game
gosta [5k\]: if w can do something, time is over
]
;B[sh]BL[2091.283]
;W[pg]WL[419.072]
C[wijii [-\]: compare W and B time...
Reborned [1k\]: oo thsi intresting
Reborned [1k\]: wow
]
;B[mj]BL[2069.362]
C[Reborned [1k\]: white sure took a while to think
Lumiere [1k\]: N10!
Lumiere [1k\]: Yay
mexican5d [2d\]: trad
Reborned [1k\]: us uck
Conanbatt [3d\]: the aji is terrible
icebucket [-\]: \\O/ I was right yoo hoo
q11 [1d?\]: r9 aji
FlameBlade [-\]: R9 aji very interesting
Reborned [1k\]: yes yes
q11 [1d?\]: r8 too
q11 [1d?\]: so probably r4 will suffer
tarae: r9 s9 r8 s8 r7 s7 
]
;W[jh]WL[343.452]
C[Conanbatt [3d\]: that seems to die tarae, but have too look closely at r14 liberties
q11 [1d?\]: i wonder how b to use m3 power against r4
]
;B[kg]BL[2064.754]
;W[li]WL[342.588]
C[jantiff [-\]: kill
tarae: is it ko?
Shreik [10k\]: white'S group is safe then?
Shreik [10k\]: the q13 one?
FlameBlade [-\]: hmmm O10 aji very interesting too
]
;B[qk]BL[2019.024]
C[royu [5d\]: b m9?
Reborned [1k\]: yes
]
;W[rk]WL[338.616]
C[Reborned [1k\]: tisuji
Reborned [1k\]: s8
tarae: looks ko  tome
Kangur [3d\]: S8!
mexican5d [2d\]: lol
Shreik [10k\]: naw
joelw [?\]: r8
tarae: to me
mexican5d [2d\]: LOL
Reborned [1k\]: s8 
Reborned [1k\]: is good
mexican5d [2d\]: very funny
Reborned [1k\]: i think
Shreik [10k\]: yeah
mexican5d [2d\]: VERY FUNNY
sirius45 [15k\]: r8
mexican5d [2d\]: jajajajaja
ChemBoy613 [-\]: r8 looks better
Reborned [1k\]: watch him play it then ill laugh at u 
mexican5d [2d\]: s8 better for inside group
]
;B[ql]BL[1974.94]
C[Reborned [1k\]: yes
tarae: q15 t14 r15 t13 s15 
Reborned [1k\]: he did it
moetero [2k?\]: s8 awful
Reborned [1k\]: eee
Shreik [10k\]: yeah s8 is bad
Conanbatt [3d\]: the most simple answer
ChemBoy613 [-\]: r8 good, s8 bad :p
mexican5d [2d\]: moetero, showing logic
]
;W[rl]WL[318.589]
C[Shreik [10k\]: lol
]
;B[qm]BL[1969.966]
;W[rm]WL[318.019]
C[Javaness [-\]: this doesn't feel comfortable
Shreik [10k\]: now he invaded and threat to q8
joelw [?\]: 1 more
ChemBoy613 [-\]: this is painful for white
year2k [2k\]: s8 r8 t9 q9 t10 r9 s7 better for b?
Conanbatt [3d\]: black becomes thick, and then plays j12 or something
Javaness [-\]: black also busy though
Reborned [1k\]: this is great 
Shreik [10k\]: yeah
FlameBlade [-\]: S8 is not a good idea because of white O10
Shreik [10k\]: really
ChemBoy613 [-\]: no, it hurts the outside too much
ChemBoy613 [-\]: inside group not big enough
tarae: no choice for w
Javaness [-\]: White needs H17 or something
Reborned [1k\]: jli is so amazing
Shreik [10k\]: hehe
Reborned [1k\]: that guy is awsome
wijii [-\]: W gets couple a points B gets W 2 very weak groups and outside
Reborned [1k\]: T.T wachign him play is so butifule T.T
ChemBoy613 [-\]: aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! (@ shriek)
Conanbatt [3d\]: l9?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: eik sorry
joelw [?\]: p7 i guess 
Shreik [10k\]: what ?
Reborned [1k\]: j12
wolfroma [20k\]: t10 -> t11-> t13??
ChemBoy613 [-\]: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAahhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
tarae: wth
Akagi316 [8k\]: k11
sirius45 [15k\]: q7?
Reborned [1k\]: chem plaese ur so childish
ChemBoy613 [-\]: *is shreiking*
Shreik [10k\]: xD
Shreik [10k\]: thx reborned
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm just bored :S
Reborned [1k\]: how old are u 25
Shreik [10k\]: lol
mexican5d [2d\]: 35
it [-\]: ChemBoy613: please stop that
ChemBoy613 [-\]: 26 actually
mexican5d [2d\]: 39
mexican5d [2d\]: 49
ChemBoy613 [-\]: no prob it
mexican5d [2d\]: 48
Conanbatt [3d\]: L9 makes k5 weak, n10 stronger, l11 lean on k13 which gets stronger and captures L16
Reborned [1k\]: oo u must have had ur birthday soon last time i saw u u were 25
Conanbatt [3d\]: and also "kinda" connects to H8
blop: is w really 9d?
Conanbatt [3d\]: Too nice a move
]
;B[kk]BL[1818.217]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: yeah birthday was a lil over a week ago
Reborned [1k\]: i knew it
Akagi316 [8k\]: nice call conan
ChemBoy613 [-\]: didn't do much but it's ok
mhl13 [5k\]: very good conan
ChemBoy613 [-\]: gonna have party once girl is back from china or something
Reborned [1k\]: ahh my b days suck 
Reborned [1k\]: lol
it [-\]: focus on the game, pls
veggie: triple attack...
Reborned [1k\]: yea gusy please
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
Shreik [10k\]: will white k10 or connect?
Shreik [10k\]: or else w j11 ?
Conanbatt [3d\]: honestly i dont know what to do as W
FlameBlade [-\]: interesting.
gorobert [2d?\]: Jie Li is really strong
FlameBlade [-\]: K5 is also under attack
Conanbatt [3d\]: 3 weak groups is really hard to handle
FlameBlade [-\]: so is M16
vega12 [9k\]: What is byou-yomi?
Reborned [1k\]: jie li is amazingly storng
wijii [-\]: l5 n12 m17 weak
ChemBoy613 [-\]: connect might be ok but this is really a nightmare for white
FlameBlade [-\]: white will have a massive time trouble soon
Reborned [1k\]: that guy kills pros
gosta [5k\]: maybe defragment board
Shreik [10k\]: yeah
Shreik [10k\]: time 
Shreik [10k\]: ...
FlameBlade [-\]: byo-yomi is only 30 seconds, 5 periods
vega12 [9k\]: Kay
]
;W[ii]WL[203.927]
C[Shreik [10k\]: is this absolute time?
Reborned [1k\]: even if white need more time ia m sure jli will add him some
]
;B[hg]BL[1807.586]
C[Shreik [10k\]: oh yeah
Shreik [10k\]: ok
FlameBlade [-\]: no, Jie Li won't add time.
FlameBlade [-\]: since this is a tournament game
Shreik [10k\]: :o
NeoNemesis [-\]: J16 imminent
Reborned [1k\]: he will
Shenron [1d\]: now m17 is in danger
Conanbatt [3d\]: miai J16 G11
Reborned [1k\]: what 
emacs [3k\]: 0:30/5
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yeah neo
linxuefen [1p\]: playing online now, AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
Reborned [1k\]: tourni game
Reborned [1k\]: ???
Reborned [1k\]: how 
FlameBlade [-\]: yes, tournament game.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hopefully neo nemesis is also headed to congress... i'm getting excited for oregon
wijii [-\]: B different level he barely uses his time like W and still FAR ahead
karagunis [21k\]: whats the meaning of p behind the name?
year2k [2k\]: m16 or l11 will die
icebucket [-\]: M11, M16 not out of the woods yet.
mhl13 [5k\]: prize game - not a qualifier game
Reborned [1k\]: what tourni
veggie: Xuefen, can we please have a correction, Jie Li 7d vs Joey Hung 7d
Reborned [1k\]: ?
emacs [3k\]: karagunis -- it means it's a professional rank.
karagunis [21k\]: thanks
lovejj [1k\]: wijii, time usage has nothing to do with it
lovejj [1k\]: its just personal style
]
;W[il]WL[129.216]
C[NeoNemesis [-\]: prob not oging to congress though i kinda want to
Conanbatt [3d\]: Kgs needs moderated chat ASAP
Reborned [1k\]: jie li is 9d thnak u very much
Conanbatt [3d\]: too much garbage
linxuefen [1p\]: no, Jie Li is AGA 9d, Joey Hung AGA 8d
Reborned [1k\]: yes
wijii [-\]: they would both be 9d on kgs
lsmft [1d\]: no he is not 9 dan
GeorgeW [-\]: Does rank really matter that much anyways?
veggie: no, AGA does not sanction any RANK above 7d
Reborned [1k\]: yes is 9d 
linxuefen [1p\]: AGA rank
veggie: rating and ranking are different things
Conanbatt [3d\]: this cant be reasonable, simply hane cant go bad for black
swimaster [11k\]: way too much garbage
lsmft [1d\]: his rating is above 9
mhl13 [5k\]: rating not equal to rank
og [11k\]: someone should tell the AGA they don't do 8 or 9 dan then :)
veggie: it has become an international joke, about time we stop it
cinemax [3k?\]: k10?
linxuefen [1p\]: well, AGA says it is
NeoNemesis [-\]: actually roy larids' the only thing that's an international joke
veggie: no, AGA does not
Singer [11k\]: Are they actually playing over KGS?
blop: if Jie Li 9d why playing to black tones
lsmft [1d\]: no, journal editor says it
og [11k\]: yes, singer
GeorgeW [-\]: Let me assure you veggie that no one in Asia cares at all what the AGA ranks/ratings are
lsmft [1d\]: AGA has never said it
veggie: let me assure you they do
Frog2win [6d\]: we dont care about the semantics
Javaness [-\]: come on no politics here
Frog2win [6d\]: but thx
FlameBlade [-\]: Let's focus on the game, please.
linxuefen [1p\]: After Nigiri, Jie balck, Joey white
lsmft [1d\]: both of these players are very strong
mimi31k [9k\]: wow look at the time difference
lsmft [1d\]: we can all agree on that
Poney [11k\]: R14 lives or not settled ?
Reborned [1k\]: jie li is stronger though 
icebucket [-\]: veggie you have been quite disruptive.  If you are so opinionated please do it in blogs elsewhere.
Shenron [1d\]: these two are very close in strength
veggie: geez
Reborned [1k\]: no jie li much better 
isshoni [6k\]: H4 put at work, at long last
Shenron [1d\]: w will need a good day to beat b tho
blop: lol i knew nigiri need just some ranks
blop: oh!!
Reborned [1k\]: j9
]
;B[jj]BL[1610.898]
C[Conanbatt [3d\]: i feared this move
Conanbatt [3d\]: black aims at playing H9
Akagi316 [8k\]: b too good
moetero [2k?\]: oh u
Akagi316 [8k\]: w hands up
q11 [1d?\]: veggie, maybe some pedantic ratings aga guy doesn't give out 8d rank, but you will find 8d and 9d written all over the aga website
Shreik [10k\]: w l10?
]
;W[hk]WL[82.757]
C[icebucket [-\]: please stop feeding trolls q11
Shenron [1d\]: joey is not too much weaker than jie 
q11 [1d?\]: i don't think steve is a troll
dosendoc [20k?\]: Could someone provide a link with some background information on the tournament?
Shenron [1d\]: right GW?
q11 [1d?\]: just a mathematician
Reborned [1k\]: can some oen explain to me what the prob is 
veggie: well, i will not take this further
Reborned [1k\]: what is the international jk
Reborned [1k\]: and whats with the 9d and 8d
]
;B[ji]BL[1567.556]
C[og [11k\]: there isn't just enjoy the game people, jeez
Shreik [10k\]: ...
Shreik [10k\]: why did white tenuki?
NeoNemesis [-\]: becuase if white K11
GeorgeW [-\]: er, I dunno
NeoNemesis [-\]: black will H10
Javaness [-\]: white can't manage all the stones
Reborned [1k\]: beuce he was gona die
GeorgeW [-\]: I never look at either's game
Akagi316 [8k\]: w aiming to threaten E7 group maybe
Reborned [1k\]: ethe way 
Shenron [1d\]: w trying to get the pace back
isshoni [6k\]: right
wijii [-\]: this game is complicated ><
joelw [?\]: e10 next
year2k [2k\]: h17 
Shenron [1d\]: he will try hard to kill e4 group
oeillet: e6 under attack now
Shenron [1d\]: olny hope it seems
Reborned [1k\]: i predict j16 int he near future
septa [-\]: h17 first?
mhl13 [5k\]: j17?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: h17 looks necessary
Poney [11k\]: E7 group can connect with the upper group now ?
NekoFang [18k\]: Byo-yomi in T minus 1
linxuefen [1p\]: playing online now, AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
lsmft [1d\]: even if white succeeds, game will be close
]
;W[gl]WL[30]
OW[5]
C[Reborned [1k\]: e10
mhl13 [5k\]: j17 for B
oeillet: m17 needs a move to live too
joelw [?\]: j17
royu [5d\]: f3?
Reborned [1k\]: b is gona die
Reborned [1k\]: at d4
Shenron [1d\]: no
california: hard for black
q11 [1d?\]: j16 perhaps
q11 [1d?\]: reade
Reborned [1k\]: he will if he ignors
q11 [1d?\]: trad
isshoni [6k\]: is JLi good at losing won games, is HJ bad at losing lost games?
]
;B[dj]BL[1486.973]
C[Reborned [1k\]: yes
Reborned [1k\]: i knew it
ennuistic [1k\]: man..
]
;W[di]WL[30]
OW[5]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: this game isn't over yet?
wijii [-\]: defend first :)
NeoNemesis [-\]: i wonder what joey's kgs handle would be if his first name is well...
Reborned [1k\]: yes
Shenron [1d\]: Jli is very good at keeping lead
Reborned [1k\]: jli si awsome
NeoNemesis [-\]: E11?
ennuistic [1k\]: why no attack on k18?
isshoni [6k\]: thanks, Shenron
]
;B[ej]BL[1452.079]
C[blop: can b alive?
]
;W[ei]WL[30]
OW[5]
C[mhl13 [5k\]: b may lose greacfully on time 
Akagi316 [8k\]: you mean w
wijii [-\]: yeah w lol
Pizzicato5 [4d\]: joey's old KGS name was smallfish
mhl13 [5k\]: yes - w
royu [5d\]: maybe related to william hung?
ennuistic [1k\]: black should be able to connect out
NeoNemesis [-\]: i heard jli's opponents tend to have a habit of losing on time
]
;B[ck]BL[1414.058]
C[Shenron [1d\]: Jli used to be parcival or something like that i think
linxuefen [1p\]: focus on game, guys
NeoNemesis [-\]: wrong jli
ennuistic [1k\]: good move
Pizzicato5 [4d\]: wrong Jie Li Shenron
linxuefen [1p\]: playing online now, AGA WMSG, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
Pizzicato5 [4d\]: that is Jie Li from Germany
]
;W[ci]WL[30]
OW[5]
C[Pizzicato5 [4d\]: (i think)
Shenron [1d\]: ah
ennuistic [1k\]: now black can have some tricks in teh corner.
]
;B[cr]BL[1397.172]
C[galbi [6k\]: is there a way to minimize the text box?
q11 [1d?\]: smallfish, not small rain?
galbi [6k\]: its distracting...
q11 [1d?\]: move it off scree
NeoNemesis [-\]: hungj used to be smallfish on kgs
mb76 [7k\]: clone the game
]
;W[er]WL[30]
OW[5]
C[q11 [1d?\]: or stick a piece of paper over your monitor
]
;B[eq]BL[1382.95]
C[Pizzicato5 [4d\]: draw over your monitor with sharpie marker
galbi [6k\]: ahh. cloning does the trick
pitimp [1k\]: try SE
ennuistic [1k\]: black can live
HKA [3d?\]: Is this competition, or practice game for WMSG team?
Ellimist [4k\]: i like to watch the senseless dribble in the text box though
Tsuijin [1d\]: white corner needing life soon
joelw [?\]: b gonna make this a race soon
veggie: if B gets B8, it's curtains
]
;W[br]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: no race
Ellimist [4k\]: so much talk, but not much is actually said
ennuistic [1k\]: white can connect at any time
mhl13 [5k\]: HKA - it's for the free ticket
]
;B[fr]BL[1363.034]
C[JonBoley [-\]: this is a game for WMSG to determine team status
]
;W[dr]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: not sure what white play is
JonBoley [-\]: ie free ticket or not
wijii [-\]: d1 
ennuistic [1k\]: this way is easy eye
Shreik [10k\]: rioghtwhite dies thre
Reborned [1k\]: d1
]
;B[es]BL[1342.477]
C[HKA [3d?\]: Thanks Jon, 
mhl13 [5k\]: no - both play in the open amateur individual event no matter who wins.
]
;W[gr]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[JonBoley [-\]: Your welcome Keith,
ennuistic [1k\]: just c1
]
;B[bl]BL[1328.914]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: er
ennuistic [1k\]: b1 i mean
]
;W[cs]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[dq]BL[1322.288]
;W[bs]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: this way is better for black
Shreik [10k\]: aaah
Shreik [10k\]: wrong lol
ennuistic [1k\]: for white
Shreik [10k\]: he shoulda played d1
Shreik [10k\]: wait
ennuistic [1k\]: no.
Shreik [10k\]: lol
Shreik [10k\]: xD
ennuistic [1k\]: his move is fine
]
;B[fj]BL[1293.455]
C[Shreik [10k\]: but he lost them :9
Batavia [6k\]: what does WMSG stand for?
oeillet: d1 is Sel Fatari move
Shreik [10k\]: stop asking that question...
Javaness [-\]: world mind sports games
]
;W[mb]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: now black has to do some fancy maneuvering
]
;B[nb]BL[1290.51]
C[Shreik [10k\]: whats sek fatari?
Shreik [10k\]: (sel
ennuistic [1k\]: h17?
elciego [-\]: think about it
ennuistic [1k\]: maybe j17
]
;W[hc]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Batavia [6k\]: k thanks
oeillet: Sel fatari is a legendary 30k player
goski [2d?\]: will games from wmsg pop up here regularly on kgs?
Javaness [-\]: no
mhl13 [5k\]: unclear if WMSG will broadcast
Elox [11k\]: SE says W+50. XD
Batavia [6k\]: lower right corner looks lonley
]
;B[qn]BL[1260.525]
C[oeillet: ince every 4 years
goski [2d?\]: ah :(
]
;W[rn]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: take a corner?
blop: Q3?
]
;B[ds]BL[1221.837]
;W[dd]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: that bad eh?
]
;B[ec]BL[1211.205]
;W[cc]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[bc]BL[1208.517]
;W[cb]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[bb]BL[1207.12]
;W[pk]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: why was that ...
blop: c17-c18?????
Akagi316 [8k\]: for ko threats maybe
lovejj [1k\]: q9: "im losing"
q11 [1d?\]: blop it is to get b14 in sente
]
;B[ok]BL[1184.393]
C[year2k [2k\]: p7 
dutch2dan [2d\]: b 14 now sente
icebucket [-\]: creating ko threats
]
;W[ol]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[nl]BL[1182.075]
C[Shreik [10k\]: aha
ennuistic [1k\]: too big
EricM [1d\]: q6
Alejo [6k\]: o9...
royu [5d\]: hmm, does bt14 result in a very long multistep ko
]
;W[oi]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[ni]BL[1178.846]
;W[nk]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[nj]BL[1177.298]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: black big loss
ennuistic [1k\]: now q6
q11 [1d?\]: fun for yose royu i guess
]
;W[pn]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[nm]BL[1174.622]
C[Badsign [6d\]: black big loss?
q11 [1d?\]: huge
]
;W[on]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[pq]BL[1170.017]
C[goski [2d?\]: ouch
]
;W[qq]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: rephrase: black lost a lot of ground
Badsign [6d\]: i think black is winning
Badsign [6d\]: k17 looks nice
mhl13 [5k\]: 7.5 komi
Kenjiro [2k\]: b12 works? 
moetero [2k?\]: get a hole in head! Big hole! Huge!
Nick8a [3k\]: K17 DOES LOOK NICE
ChemBoy613 [-\]: b12 b14 
]
;B[pr]BL[1116.139]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: game looks close
ennuistic [1k\]: white can get out
]
;W[bf]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[ad]BL[1113.732]
C[Shenron [1d\]: q9 was very big
gimme [-\]: h15?
]
;W[be]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[bd]BL[1112.12]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: g18
]
;W[np]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: O4 nice
gorobert [2d?\]: Will something like J18 work for black?
Nick8a [3k\]: k17
Nick8a [3k\]: and then run to the left
tarae: close game
Javaness [-\]: just J17
Kenjiro [2k\]: j17 
dutch2dan [2d\]: l17 first maybe?
dutch2dan [2d\]: *** l 18
cht [6k\]: ... almost too close...
]
;B[oq]BL[1043.346]
C[year2k [2k\]: b still +5 imho
Violence [?\]: oh my. You don't see this every day
ennuistic [1k\]: j17 sequence ends in gote
NeoNemesis [-\]: good morning violence
Violence [?\]: Morning
Kangur [3d\]: P3 sooo beatyful
]
;W[lb]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[gimme [-\]: h15
Cassis0 [3d\]: p3 looks cool
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I hope breakfast is good in Korea today
Badsign [6d\]: k17 wasnt bigger then p3?
Badsign [6d\]: ~_~
Reborned [1k\]: what he doign there
Reborned [1k\]: ?
gorobert [2d?\]: Maybe black is still leading, but not like before
year2k [2k\]: empty triaangle and butefull nonsence
blop: p3 is good
blop: it's need
Violence [?\]: What tournament is this for?
moetero [2k?\]: soccer
FlameBlade [-\]: free airplane ticket, if I'm right
Reborned [1k\]: ymca so,thign like that 
Elox [11k\]: FIFA. :P
FlameBlade [-\]: for mind sports.
ennuistic [1k\]: black nest move difficult
]
;B[sf]BL[925.567]
C[linxuefen [1p\]: playing online now, AGA WMSG for free trip, Jie Li 9d vs Joey Hung 8d
isshoni [6k\]: usa team qualifiers for the world mind sports
tarae: here it comes
Reborned [1k\]: dumdum dum daaaaa
Shreik [10k\]: b could invade white with e17 group...
]
;W[sj]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: this move is devastating
mhl13 [5k\]: both players are alredy qualified to play in the WMSG for AGA
Violence [?\]: Ah, thanks
Reborned [1k\]: wow tough ko
Elox [11k\]: This is for first board, right?
ennuistic [1k\]: t11
mhl13 [5k\]: this game decide who gets a free ticket  and nothing more
ChemBoy613 [-\]: where is WMSG?  what is it? :S
hillmonkey [8k\]: ko ko ko
Javaness [-\]: World Mind Sports Games
ennuistic [1k\]: ko is free
NeoNemesis [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/WMSG08.html
moetero [2k?\]: kokko
Shreik [10k\]: I dont want that ko
mhl13 [5k\]: thanks neo
Shreik [10k\]: battle boo
Shreik [10k\]: xD
NeoNemesis [-\]: np
]
;B[si]BL[857.017]
C[joelw [?\]: what ko?
Shreik [10k\]: t15
joelw [?\]: nm
Vash3G [-\]: the table on that page is not fun to update
Shreik [10k\]: 14 13
ennuistic [1k\]: s15
]
;W[se]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Violence [?\]: two step ko?
ennuistic [1k\]: uhoh
ennuistic [1k\]: yeah
tarae: ok b is winning
]
;B[pe]BL[848.521]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: lots of step ko
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[jc]BL[842.835]
C[moetero [2k?\]: actually, too many steps
Anedia: one step ko Oo
Reborned [1k\]: no 2 step
pasky [-\]: where "lots" = 2
Shreik [10k\]: its not a 2 step
Javaness [-\]: I think white is lost
Shreik [10k\]: ...
ennuistic [1k\]: black as many threats though
]
;W[ic]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: yeah
]
;B[sf]BL[840.514]
C[royu [5d\]: w can t17
Reborned [1k\]: it;s a 2
joelw [?\]: throw in at s15 lessens steps
Violence [?\]: ... it's 2...
]
;W[mk]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[blop: 1 billion years ko
blop: :)
ennuistic [1k\]: s15
]
;B[lj]BL[818.467]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: aww
Shreik [10k\]: white should play s15...
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: no 
Violence [?\]: Yeah... if by billion years... you mean... two steps...
ennuistic [1k\]: its too much to risk
Shreik [10k\]: ...
ennuistic [1k\]: looks like 3
Shreik [10k\]: if b s15
Reborned [1k\]: b resks nothing
Anedia: white should play s15... this way its too easy :>
]
;B[jb]BL[795.415]
C[Shreik [10k\]: then w ...
]
;W[jd]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[sf]BL[792.928]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: definitely white should've played s15
Shreik [10k\]: isnt easy good for w?
Javaness [-\]: how can?
ennuistic [1k\]: like "I" told him to
ennuistic [1k\]: s15 instead of t15
]
;W[nq]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[nr]BL[789.623]
C[Singer [11k\]: 3 step ko?
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[gb]BL[787.434]
C[Singer [11k\]: Isn't that a bit ambitious?
ennuistic [1k\]: no
]
;W[hb]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: this is free for black
Shreik [10k\]: instead of simply responding to the ko threats he needs to progressively eliminate them
]
;B[sf]BL[785.643]
C[Violence [?\]: Black only has to win the ko twice
Violence [?\]: and it's hanami.
pasky [-\]: it's 2 step + 1 local threat
Reborned [1k\]: if 
]
;W[gc]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Reborned [1k\]: b has an extra 2 kos than w he wins
Singer [11k\]: Oh yea, okay
year2k [2k\]: enother buteful empty triangle
Shreik [10k\]: W really has to play s15
mhl13 [5k\]: or B get compensation elsewhere
Reborned [1k\]: r15
pasky [-\]: ok, ignore?
blop: ignore
Piggen [11k\]: S15!!!
ennuistic [1k\]: what if white s15's then?
septa [-\]: s15 ?
calathar [3k\]: i would ignore...
Reborned [1k\]: r15
joelw [?\]: w can play s15 on one of these ko fights if he wants to be safe
gohunter [1k\]: ignore
Piggen [11k\]: S15
Reborned [1k\]: he is gona ignor
Reborned [1k\]: r15 safer guys
Shreik [10k\]: no its not
pasky [-\]: r15 1pt better :)
mhl13 [5k\]: what is B's next ko threat?
royu [5d\]: b f18
Shreik [10k\]: r16
ennuistic [1k\]: black needs f18
Reborned [1k\]: r15 better than s15
Shreik [10k\]: b
tarae: he gotta get serious comp cuz top r corner is hurting
Singer [11k\]: R15 - R16?
Tsuijin [1d\]: f19
Shreik [10k\]: how is r 15 better?
ennuistic [1k\]: no reason not to
]
;B[go]BL[715.203]
C[Reborned [1k\]: s15 is crap it works but still crap
pasky [-\]: ...
asap [5k\]: don't ignore
Shreik [10k\]: ...
Akagi316 [8k\]: ?!
Anedia: ?
Reborned [1k\]: what the 
Reborned [1k\]: ?
Violence [?\]: R15 is one less ko threat.
joelw [?\]: s15 better
emacs [3k\]: ??
aitkensam [4d\]: testing for more ko threats
Piggen [11k\]: oops...
Reborned [1k\]: r15 better
Piggen [11k\]: r15 hihi
royu [5d\]: b isn't trying to win ko, just get something in sente
Shreik [10k\]: dam thats a mean threat
]
;W[gp]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: i see
Shreik [10k\]: yeah
gohunter [1k\]: isee
Piggen [11k\]: or not...
Shreik [10k\]: w has to live now..
gohunter [1k\]: it;s very good move g5
Piggen [11k\]: r15 s15 t13
golink2007 [1d\]: w lost
year2k [2k\]: s15 
Piggen [11k\]: =D
]
;B[qe]BL[651.03]
C[Violence [?\]: er no, R15 not one less ko threat, just one more point.
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: ...
]
;B[gn]BL[649.529]
C[Shreik [10k\]: there he goes...
wijii [-\]: g5 good makes threats
]
;W[ho]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[sf]BL[647.908]
;W[re]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: black should have s15 beginning...
ennuistic [1k\]: r5
Shreik [10k\]: but then againg
Reborned [1k\]: aparently rhe 9d thinks r15 better than s15
Singer [11k\]: R16?
vdust [3k?\]: s15 do the same
year2k [2k\]: now ba can take any ko
Shreik [10k\]: if he had, he wouldn't be getting as much out of sente
gohunter [1k\]: r16
vdust [3k?\]: but give white one point
Reborned [1k\]: r16
Shreik [10k\]: so he goes less harsh
golink2007 [1d\]: q7 is big too
Violence [?\]: S15 loses a point if white manages to win the ko
Wichmaster [5d\]: r5
lovejj [1k\]: r16!? u think so??
wijii [-\]: r5 
lovejj [1k\]: -_-
ennuistic [1k\]: well
Shreik [10k\]: if black did s15 then white would be more aggeressive
wijii [-\]: r5 is a threat
gohunter [1k\]: s16
gohunter [1k\]: *r16
Reborned [1k\]: r16
ennuistic [1k\]: its a must move now 
Violence [?\]: R5 is a self damaging threat
Shreik [10k\]: yea..
ennuistic [1k\]: is black worried about corner life?
gohunter [1k\]: b can use for the ko the move q7
Piggen [11k\]: r5?
Shreik [10k\]: r5...
Shreik [10k\]: ???
Shreik [10k\]: why
ennuistic [1k\]: only thing thats big enough
Kenjiro [2k\]: what is black thinking?
year2k [2k\]: q5 
royu [5d\]: b h7 is a threat?
golink2007 [1d\]: h7 may be good one
Anedia: black has to play r16? what is he thinking about?
]
;B[pb]BL[514.853]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: good
Javaness [-\]: oh
Akagi316 [8k\]: ...
ennuistic [1k\]: worried about corner life
Javaness [-\]: black passed
Badsign [6d\]: still ko
]
;W[qo]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: treats just like a threat
gohunter [1k\]: r16 !
Reborned [1k\]: dude jli is pissing em off
Shreik [10k\]: was that necessary...
ennuistic [1k\]: now is really free
Reborned [1k\]: now
Reborned [1k\]: why didn;t he
ennuistic [1k\]: yes.
year2k [2k\]: q7 best ko?
Piggen [11k\]: R16
Reborned [1k\]: r16 
ennuistic [1k\]: p7
ennuistic [1k\]: r16 first of course
Badsign [6d\]: maybe play something to create threats
royu [5d\]: h7 is quite big if w ignores
septa [-\]: g7 small threat?
Evaugh [3k\]: b looking to make new ko threats
aitkensam [4d\]: something around K7 perhaps?
golink2007 [1d\]: kick the bomb r16
]
;B[fb]BL[439.701]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: heh
blop: Q18 for to get rid of threat
year2k [2k\]: of corce after r16
ennuistic [1k\]: ko made the game a lot more dynamic
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[mhl13 [5k\]: b eliminating threats?
Shreik [10k\]: take the ko?
Shreik [10k\]: yea
ennuistic [1k\]: no
ennuistic [1k\]: creating them
]
;B[ha]BL[433.176]
;W[ia]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[sf]BL[430.885]
C[mhl13 [5k\]: right...
septa [-\]: both, eliminating and creating
year2k [2k\]: b try to create biger ko
blop: h15?
ennuistic [1k\]: f18 was never a threat for white
]
;W[gm]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: triple ko time :p
]
;B[bm]BL[423.897]
C[oren [4k?\]: not allowed in aga
MWing [-\]: b is is skilled at ko fighting
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[an]BL[416.708]
;W[ao]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[sf]BL[415.176]
C[blop: b have more threats
aitkensam [4d\]: w A3? :p
Piggen [11k\]: i hate ko =(
blop: i think w suffering
]
;W[mr]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[mq]BL[403.966]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: g19 still there
wolfroma [20k\]: may be w need F7?
Kenjiro [2k\]: a2 
Badsign [6d\]: white has 2 more threats here
year2k [2k\]: g19 
calif: no a3
oeillet: it is not a go game if there is no ko fight
ennuistic [1k\]: black saving those threats?
]
;B[ar]BL[356.003]
C[septa [-\]: Where, Badsign?
]
;W[aq]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: nicethreat
]
;B[sf]BL[354.318]
C[Badsign [6d\]: o2
blop: o1
Reborned [1k\]: this game is getign weird
ennuistic [1k\]: so far black has gained nearly 10 pts from the ko fight
Reborned [1k\]: lol
]
;W[ga]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[septa [-\]: I see
Akagi316 [8k\]: r16
mhl13 [5k\]: r16
royu [5d\]: t13!  ;)
MWing [-\]: white has nothing
joelw [?\]: ignore?
Badsign [6d\]: should have used this thraet before a2
ennuistic [1k\]: t13 is strong
Shreik [10k\]: r16 is scari
Anedia: g19 is no threat, it only eliminates few threats
tarae: i like t13
Kenjiro [2k\]: y is b hesitating so much to r16?
Shreik [10k\]: dunno...
Piggen [11k\]: why t13???
pasky [-\]: because he has to reply to threats? :P
mhl13 [5k\]: good question
Shreik [10k\]: prolly like I said
ennuistic [1k\]: because d19 is a threat now?
blop: what t13?
jsc [17k\]: how strong are these two?
Shreik [10k\]: he wants to prolong it
emacs [3k\]: Piggen, they're joking about T13
tarae: t13 to win the ko!
Akagi316 [8k\]: t19 huge threat
blop: yea t13 make an eye
petersun: d19 not a threat
Anedia: d19 is no threat
Shreik [10k\]: lol you sound like goproblems .com
Shreik [10k\]: :p
Shreik [10k\]: "to win the ko!"
Piggen [11k\]: no t13
blop: it's good
royu [5d\]: right now he is private messaging, "take a moment to soak it in... I am going to r16... BAM!"
jsc [17k\]: how strong are these two???
Shreik [10k\]: xD
Akagi316 [8k\]: he's just wasting time, c'mon
Shreik [10k\]: haha
Violence [?\]: Jie is easily KGS 9d
wijii [-\]: yup
jsc [17k\]: thx
aitkensam [4d\]: counting i suppose
mhl13 [5k\]: what is b's next ko threat after r16?
wolfroma [20k\]: can you tell me why white not play F7?
Shreik [10k\]: argh I need to get sdk
Shreik [10k\]: <
ennuistic [1k\]: black has a lot of time.
blop: white r16 big
tarae: this is flower ko for black
Capsule [3d\]: it is too small at the moment wolfroma.
Reborned [1k\]: ok thats it JLI need to play r16
Shreik [10k\]: yeah it is after the ko
Badsign [6d\]: white has no threats at d18
tarae: if he gets anything he is winning
wolfroma [20k\]: aaah, thans
]
;B[jm]BL[171.402]
C[Piggen [11k\]: r16 for whity??? why???
Badsign [6d\]: black should r16
Akagi316 [8k\]: O_O
Reborned [1k\]: omg 
og [11k\]: huh?
emacs [3k\]: ...?!
Anedia: wolfroma: f7 does nothing... snapback
lovejj [1k\]: nice move
Akagi316 [8k\]: stop playing moves i don't understand T_T
emacs [3k\]: I don't understand this at all >_>
Reborned [1k\]: damn this i annoying
Morsure [2k\]: f7 r16 e6 f6
lovejj [1k\]: O_O
Javaness [-\]: white must be close to resign
ennuistic [1k\]: tries to create more ko threats
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[im]BL[165.962]
C[og [11k\]: interesting.
Akagi316 [8k\]: oh now i see
]
;W[hm]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: omg
ennuistic [1k\]: burden of ko is very heavy
Akagi316 [8k\]: that is so crazy
Akagi316 [8k\]: XD
Javaness [-\]: not so many eyes
Reborned [1k\]: m7
wijii [-\]: W only 1 eye
]
;B[sf]BL[145.585]
C[Javaness [-\]: O1
Evaugh [3k\]: new threats =)
wijii [-\]: B is very strong ><
gorobert [2d?\]: White lost already
Akagi316 [8k\]: b is a monster
]
;W[nn]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Reborned [1k\]: b  is amazing
mhl13 [5k\]: w is being tortured...
wijii [-\]: B is a beast!
Reborned [1k\]: r16
Reborned [1k\]: please
og [11k\]: ignore?
Akagi316 [8k\]: r16 PLZ
MWing [-\]: b wants to make his opponent resign before the ko even ends
Reborned [1k\]: lol
Javaness [-\]: anyone would think black was the Captain with all this hysteria
Kenjiro [2k\]:  m7 
jsc [17k\]: se + b leading by 63.5
Evaugh [3k\]: I think what B does to W is less cruel than what B does to us
blop: rival's best move is your best move then w need r16 :D
golink2007 [1d\]: i think finally b will get q7
]
;B[gi]BL[97.243]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: will he ever play r16 c'mon
Akagi316 [8k\]: omg wth
septa [-\]: Lol
ennuistic [1k\]: i think even i can win this game with black stones now
]
;W[km]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[wijii [-\]: will B kill?
Javaness [-\]: alive now
]
;B[jl]BL[85.453]
C[MWing [-\]: b's having fun, so let him have fun
ennuistic [1k\]: now no more ko threats 
don [4k\]: b do not care about winning the ko, he wants the rest
ennuistic [1k\]: o6 is multipurpose
icebucket [-\]: W connected
]
;W[ln]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: r16 now? :D
og [11k\]: surely r16 now
wijii [-\]: r16 
wijii [-\]: why doesnt he r16
aitkensam [4d\]: b is really that good in this game? w seems not bad to me
Evaugh [3k\]: ofcourse not =)
Kenjiro [2k\]: n7 
sai1029 [3k\]: m8
blop: h15 is big threat for b
joelw [?\]: r16 already
MWing [-\]: for the sake of making the observers go crazy, he won't r16
ennuistic [1k\]: black gained at least 15 pts in this kofight
joelw [?\]: can't stand waiting for it
ennuistic [1k\]: so far
mhl13 [5k\]: b doesn't need O7 to live 
Shreik [10k\]: w needs some f13 g14 action going on
]
;B[fe]BL[12.592]
C[Shreik [10k\]: damm
jsc [17k\]: lol shriek
emacs [3k\]: So close, Shreik :)
Javaness [-\]: H15 maybe?
]
;W[ff]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Badsign [6d\]: start the ko damt
Javaness [-\]: oh
septa [-\]: More threats
Akagi316 [8k\]: i give up
Akagi316 [8k\]: he's never gonna play r16
Shreik [10k\]: lol
MWing [-\]: good idea
Akagi316 [8k\]: so evil
septa [-\]: Hehe Akagi
]
;B[gf]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[Shreik [10k\]: yor not even playing how come you give up lol
mhl13 [5k\]: well well look at the time balance now.....
septa [-\]: He torture us ;)
blop: they leave ko :P
aitkensam [4d\]: once b plays F16 he will lose the ko, else w resigns
Evaugh [3k\]: R16 - I think he doesn't see it  ;-)
aitkensam [4d\]: R*
Akagi316 [8k\]: rofl
ennuistic [1k\]: finally black enters byo
wijii [-\]: r16 he must not like that coordinate 
]
;W[fd]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[ed]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: i bet he's hoping w will play r16!
]
;W[gd]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[MWing [-\]: maybe a fortune teller told him not to play on r16
Shreik [10k\]: lol yeah
icebucket [-\]: rush 
oeillet: emacs, nice name !
]
;B[ee]BL[30]
OB[5]
;W[ef]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[emacs [3k\]: :)
arjun [4k?\]: i am a weak player, but can someone explain me why people are saying that black is way ahead. not in my counting.
]
;B[ge]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[gorobert [2d?\]: Really nice game, thoughtful moves
Akagi316 [8k\]: it's a close game
Shreik [10k\]: no I think the reason is that he just wants to prolong the impending threat to do some stuff around the place
pwnz0r [1d\]: can any high dan explain the possible reason not to start a huge ko at no cost?
aitkensam [4d\]: cos he has no massive threat
]
;W[oc]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[golink2007 [1d\]: j16 is ko now
Akagi316 [8k\]: ooh
]
;B[ob]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[Akagi316 [8k\]: nice
year2k [2k\]: n19 
q11 [1d?\]: n19 lol
pwnz0r [1d\]: but even winning a small threat could win you the game?
]
;W[ma]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[FlameBlade [-\]: now it's easier to play R16
tarae: r16 w atari!
joelw [?\]: r16
Akagi316 [8k\]: hehe
q11 [1d?\]: p7 threat
jsc [17k\]: wow really?
Akagi316 [8k\]: w should play r16! :)
Gimpyjoe [4k\]: s2
]
;B[qd]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[oeillet: ur ko heavy on white
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Evaugh [3k\]: YAY
wijii [-\]: YES
HKA [3d?\]: its clearly the biggest  move
emacs [3k\]: YAAA "D
]
;B[bj]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[wijii [-\]: finally
Shreik [10k\]: shyt
gorobert [2d?\]: Now he get enough threats here
MWing [-\]: now, white has to respond
ennuistic [1k\]: big big
]
;W[bi]WL[30]
OW[4]
;B[sf]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: o1 only
Piggen [11k\]: YAY!
golink2007 [1d\]: w no chance
elciego [-\]: feel the power
wolfroma [20k\]: the worst
Shreik [10k\]: why dint he capture???
blop: o1
goski [2d?\]: incredible power
year2k [2k\]: b win
Gimpyjoe [4k\]: o1
septa [-\]: p2 ?
blop: o1
badukluv [2k\]: O1
Rig [21k?\]: why didn't W capture at s12?
Javaness [-\]: O1 only move
]
;W[or]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[gorobert [2d?\]: done
q11 [1d?\]: rig, or b plays b12
]
;B[os]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[MWing [-\]: good threat, actually
septa [-\]: P2 :)
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[4]
C[Shreik [10k\]: mhm
Akagi316 [8k\]: p7?
q11 [1d?\]: and other group in bad trouble
wolfroma [20k\]: why w not answer S12?
Akagi316 [8k\]: wait nvm
Gimpyjoe [4k\]: s2 big threat?
blop: hehe yea
vdust [3k?\]: if it didn't, it would have lost D14 group
MWing [-\]: n5
ennuistic [1k\]: no more threats
og [11k\]: p7 isn't big enough, is it?
jsc [17k\]: b should have captured
Shreik [10k\]: jst kill black lol
blop: p2 more threat
golink2007 [1d\]: j16 
icebucket [-\]: n6
vdust [3k?\]: he*
vicius85 [1d\]: p2 gives w one more ko threat
Shreik [10k\]: and the deal with the problems after
]
;B[id]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: heh
Badsign [6d\]: lol nice
golink2007 [1d\]: I am right this time
Akagi316 [8k\]: ...sick
q11 [1d?\]: shreik you can't
Akagi316 [8k\]: that is so sick.
MWing [-\]: pwnt
q11 [1d?\]: as w surrounded likely to die
aitkensam [4d\]: that is quite awesome
Shreik [10k\]: bah
ennuistic [1k\]: threat found
loookj [7k\]: ignore
MWing [-\]: i think a resignation is coming
Shreik [10k\]: he doesnt have to answer 
Shreik [10k\]: as long as w plays l19
MWing [-\]: yes he does
Shreik [10k\]: later
blop: no ignore
petersun: w lost
wijii [-\]: B is  scaring me
Akagi316 [8k\]: he must answer
Shreik [10k\]: ignorre
petersun: resign
Javaness [-\]: is dead if not
zoom [10k\]: w needs to d
ennuistic [1k\]: ignore = death
Akagi316 [8k\]: cannot ignore
wijii [-\]: i need my mommy
Shreik [10k\]: why
Violence [?\]: yeah, Shreik, doesn't have to answer, he'll just lose the whole top side.
Violence [?\]: H16
Akagi316 [8k\]: ignore = w die
Shreik [10k\]: w has 3 lib
]
;W[ie]WL[30]
OW[3]
;B[sf]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: white only move is j16
year2k [2k\]: after b t16 b would win 25
vicius85 [1d\]: hard to ignore
badukluv [2k\]: wijii need his diaper change
blop: no ignore
Akagi316 [8k\]: o1
Shenron [1d\]: b as follow up
blop: o1
ennuistic [1k\]: black gets another there
aitkensam [4d\]: F13 seems real threat also
Shreik [10k\]: ...
Evaugh [3k\]: O1
og [11k\]: ignore o1, make it ko!
vdust [3k?\]: black H16 kill if white ignore
q11 [1d?\]: threat does lose a few points for b but ko so big its ok
vicius85 [1d\]: O1
Vash3G [-\]: o1
tarae: ouvre
wijii [-\]: badukluv change my smelly diaper
Shreik [10k\]: id say play j13
ennuistic [1k\]: no longer enough obviously
joelw [?\]: ignore o1
Shreik [10k\]: j13
vicius85 [1d\]: w lost
maxp73 [1d\]: o1 leads to another ko..
ennuistic [1k\]: white needs one mroe threat
MWing [-\]: i say, resign
aitkensam [4d\]: w cant win
ennuistic [1k\]: h15 new black threat
jsc [17k\]: J16 was so awesome
]
;W[ns]WL[30]
OW[2]
;B[ms]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[MWing [-\]: i knew it
Evaugh [3k\]: what does j13 do?
]
;W[sg]WL[30]
OW[2]
;B[he]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[icebucket [-\]: H15
vdust [3k?\]: no. o1 is way a bigger ko than T14
icebucket [-\]: W lost
septa [-\]: resign
salkwaengi: jie li makes for cliffhanger games ...
]
;W[hd]WL[30]
OW[2]
;B[sf]BL[30]
OB[5]
C[ennuistic [1k\]: ko was absolutely free for black
Javaness [-\]: even if white wins the ko
blop: no threat now
ennuistic [1k\]: white accepting the ko was just too good for black
blop: :(((
calif: take and over
Javaness [-\]: no cash
year2k [2k\]: cat and mouse game
Shreik [10k\]: yeha
Shreik [10k\]: bad
Akagi316 [8k\]: no more threat?
gorobert [2d?\]: White tried his best
salkwaengi: he is done
Shreik [10k\]: sigh
wijii [-\]: thar it is
JLi [-\]: thanks
tarae: good game
Shreik [10k\]: hey
FlameBlade [-\]: good game, Jie Li
icebucket [-\]: nice game
Piggen [11k\]: YaaaaaY
gorobert [2d?\]: This is a tough game from the beginning
HungJ [?\]: thx for the game.
og [11k\]: nice game
Akagi316 [8k\]: b is way too good
sai1029 [3k\]: GG
emacs [3k\]: Awesome game guys!! :D
Shreik [10k\]: why not j13 ??
FlameBlade [-\]: and Joey Hung
zoom [10k\]: wow that was soo nice
og [11k\]: thanks both players
Piggen [11k\]: take it easy!
asap [5k\]: awsoke game!
septa [-\]: Good game both
NeoNemesis [-\]: nice game
Rig [21k?\]: great game!
Elox [11k\]: Good game, guys!
Shreik [10k\]: j13 ?...
Shreik [10k\]: :s
linxuefen [1p\]: Jie Li 9d defeaat Joey Hung by resignation, thanks
jsc [17k\]: GG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mhl13 [5k\]: welldone
Shenron [1d\]: GREAT GAME!!!!
Moregyn [15k\]: good game
Akagi316 [8k\]: shriek: j13 doesn't work if b eats
vdust [3k?\]: j13 is just some points.
asap [5k\]: i'm so saving this game
jsc [17k\]: even though i seen the very end is all XD
septa [-\]: l11 is dead Akagi
goski [2d?\]: awesome
septa [-\]: er..
septa [-\]: I mean shriek
Shreik [10k\]: oh rightbecause ofg 014 and -15 
Shreik [10k\]: ...
Shreik [10k\]: sorry xD
septa [-\]: *shreik
Shreik [10k\]: EXCELLENT game
Shreik [10k\]: thanks
tarae: me want review
jsc [17k\]: me want cake
vdust [3k?\]: me want sleeping
HKA [3d?\]: me wish the Dutch won yesterday
vdust [3k?\]: xD
]
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